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05-07-2024 , 02:19 PM

#1926

57 On Red

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Originally Posted by washoe

Lucy Letby might be and probably is innocent.

No.

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They didnt have a single piece of direct evidence.

They had the murderer's own writings. Among other things.

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05-07-2024 , 02:21 PM

#1927

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writings are not allowed as evidence.
At least not these ones.

It's not enough to jail someone for life.

Last edited by washoe; 05-07-2024 at 02:27 PM.

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05-07-2024 , 02:24 PM

#1928

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You can't even read them right?

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05-07-2024 , 02:25 PM

#1929

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Originally Posted by formula72

I don't care enough to tally up but there seems to be quite a bit of left leaning people who post here regularly - chez, jal, micro, d2, vic, Mr rick, Biggerboat, Bryce, CN and both Gansta and Roc are left leaning. I mean, it was pretty much all lefties before but there seems to be at least somewhat of a even mix, atm as opposed to a decrepit shanty shack of sensitive pinko heads.

d2 is a self-confessed Tory. I have some hope for d3, the next generation.

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05-07-2024 , 02:28 PM

#1930

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

I'd argue it's better than the echo chamber experiment that started off with everyone celebrating that they were finally free of all the reactionary right-wing dogshit, before quickly realising that they had nobody left to dogpile and turning on each other.

This is almost correct. It's is a lot better than the dogshit echo-chamber you're referring to, that did start off with everyone celebrating that they were finally free of all the reactionary right-wing dogshit, before the non conservatives/shitlibs realised who they were posting with and had enough of their self-serving turdisms.

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05-07-2024 , 02:30 PM

#1931

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Originally Posted by Luciom

I don't think you have even the vague idea what a reactionary right-wing forum looks like.

I know as I used to spend some time around those places

NEVER!

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05-07-2024 , 02:31 PM

#1932

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You can't even read them right?

I can read I AM EVIL I DID THIS and I killed them on purpose.

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05-07-2024 , 02:32 PM

#1933

formula72

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

Who are you calling left leaning? I'm just anti-Trump. Is that considered left leaning these days?

Oh, and you forgot Victor. He was so far off into the distance when you looked left, you couldn't see him.

I didnt forget victor, but I'd put you farthest to the right of my list if that makes you feel a little bit better, maybe Roc would sitting directly to your left. Either way, we've got characters from both extremities with a sprinkle of centrists mixed in and the forum has somehow managed to not burn down while having entertaining conversations withs nazis and commies about crypto and handjobs.

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05-07-2024 , 02:33 PM

#1934

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</grunch>

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05-07-2024 , 02:35 PM

#1935

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Originally Posted by formula72

Did someone say handjobs?

Spoiler:

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05-07-2024 , 02:38 PM

#1936

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Originally Posted by washoe

writings are not allowed as evidence.
At least not these ones.

It's not enough to jail someone for life.

You are wrong in law and fact. The writings were admitted as evidence. They would only be inadmissible if they were recovered in an illegal search, which was not the case.

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05-07-2024 , 02:47 PM

#1937

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Originally Posted by 57 On Red

You are wrong in law and fact. The writings were admitted as evidence. They would only be inadmissible if they were recovered in an illegal search, which was not the case.

The larger point, being, of course, that something being inadmissible as evidence is not evidence of factual innocence, nor does it mean that the evidence ceases to exist.

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05-07-2024 , 03:21 PM

#1938

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Originally Posted by washoe

writings are not allowed as evidence.

Where in the world did you get this idea? Most trial exhibits are documents of one sort or another.

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05-07-2024 , 03:26 PM

#1939

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Confessing to the crime has got to be way too prejudicial for a jury.

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05-07-2024 , 03:32 PM

#1940

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It seemed like that was what Gansta man set forth this morning in the Israel thread. Again, you seem to be glossing over my point.

Got it. So this is what you perceived as over the top censoring of micro specifically:

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It was brought to my attention that there have been more insults in here than normal. Please tone it down. Maybe take a break from this thread if you need. Regardless of any history, short bans may be given if things seem out of control later today or tomorrow when I can make it back here.

This is the lightest possible form of moderation. Yet you perceived it as heavy handed and specifically directed at micro. And to top it off, the person you think you are defending has explicitly stated that, if it were up to him, no one would ever be banned. Micro doesn't want the style of modding that you claim to want.

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05-07-2024 , 03:33 PM

#1941

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

Did someone say handjobs?

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Nonono, you're getting mixed up, that is the congresswoman whose husband exposed himself in a bowling alley. The one who gave a dude a handy in a theater was Bobert.

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05-07-2024 , 03:35 PM

#1942

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Originally Posted by Rococo

Got it. So this is what you perceived as over the top censoring of micro specifically:

This is the lightest possible form of moderation. Yet you perceived it as heavy handed and specifically directed at micro. And to top it off, the person you think you are defending has explicitly stated that, if it were up to him, no one would ever be banned. Micro doesn't want the style of modding that you claim to want.

it confounds me that there are people who still don't have him on ignore and even more so there are some who actually engage with his fantasies

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05-07-2024 , 03:39 PM

#1943

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Got it. So this is what you perceived as over the top censoring of micro specifically:

My very obvious point here is that mild swears draw the ire of mods while derogatory ethnic slurs and other hateful **** constantly gets a pass.

Again, the question you keep ducking is: what kind of a forum do you want? I think you would agree that making everyone happy is a fool's errand (yes? no?), so which people is the community going to cater to and why?

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05-07-2024 , 03:42 PM

#1944

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it sounds like he wants the kind of forum where he isn't the moderator anymore

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05-07-2024 , 03:44 PM

#1945

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Originally Posted by Rococo

Where in the world did you get this idea? Most trial exhibits are documents of one sort or another.

I got it from hearing lawyers talk about this case.
This is probably the only case where the most significant evidence, or rather the only non circumstantial evidence was the persons own notes. And like I said these notes mean nothing really or can mean something else.
Its def not enough of evidence to convict someone of murder.
Not on these notes alone.
But that's all they got. Everything else is circumstantial.

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05-07-2024 , 03:45 PM

#1946

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Dude, nobody here owes you anything.

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05-07-2024 , 03:46 PM

#1947

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Originally Posted by uke_master

it sounds like he wants the kind of forum where he isn't the moderator anymore

I don't think anyone does, which is yet another argument for either shutting it down or letting it become a zoo.

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Originally Posted by d2_e4

Dude, nobody here owes you anything.

I'm just giving my take like you and most everyone else here. No one really has to respond.

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05-07-2024 , 03:47 PM

#1948

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Nonono, you're getting mixed up, that is the congresswoman whose husband exposed himself in a bowling alley. The one who gave a dude a handy in a theater was Bobert.

Beetle juice... c'mon man!

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05-07-2024 , 03:47 PM

#1949

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Originally Posted by washoe

I got it from hearing lawyers talk about this case.
This is probably the only case where the most significant evidence was the
persons own notes. And like I said these notes mean nothing really
or can mean something else.
Its def not enough of evidence to convict someone of murder.
Not on these notes alone.
But that's all they got. Everything else is circumstantial.

You say this was the most significant evidence, then say it wasn't enough to convict without other evidence.

But there was other evidence - the shifts she worked and volunteered for that correlated highly with baby deaths. Sure it's not concrete proof but it is evidence of the type you'd expect to see if she was gaily and not to see if she was innocent.

Also, circumstantial evidence can be enough to convict, despite what people like to say.

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05-07-2024 , 03:49 PM

#1950

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The forum would be fine if we just banned (temporarily) some of the genocide lovers, rape denialists, Zionists, antisemites, war mongers, and trolls in the Israel thread.

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