When are the new 2+2 owners going to invoke the "mercy rule" and shut down this Forum?

The mods deserve a generous severance package.

Seriously, overall you mods here do a great job.

This one was a doozy. Takes a special sort of mind to **** this up:

I would gladly double their pay.

I like how you and others can go in that thread and challenge me then you b**** about my post count. The lack of self-awareness that you have in contributing to what you're complaining about is mind blowing. You all want a dog pile just like you're doing right here then you b**** about my post count when I respond.

I mean, how many times has blade called it a conspiracy theory, none of you are bitching about that. He, like, has made no other point about the topic, and he had to bring it up in here.

Cultural Marxism is a far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory which claims Western Marxism as the basis of continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western culture.[1][2][3] The conspiracists claim that an elite of Marxist theorists and Frankfurt School intellectuals are subverting Western society with a culture war that undermines the Christian values of traditionalist conservatism and promotes the cultural liberal values of the 1960s counterculture and multiculturalism, progressive politics and political correctness, misrepresented as identity politics created by critical theory.[2][3][4]

The whole CRT critique is literally based on a known and conspiracy theory used by the right in America.

I'm not saying CRT is above reproach. It has some serious flaws, but the people who are making the hay aren't genuine actors.

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Critical theory (also capitalized as Critical Theory)[1] is an approach to social philosophy that focuses on reflective assessment and critique of society and culture in order to reveal and challenge power structures. With origins in sociology and literary criticism, it argues that social problems are influenced and created more by societal structures and cultural assumptions than by individual and psychological factors. Maintaining that ideology is the principal obstacle to human liberation,[2] critical theory was established as a school of thought primarily by the Frankfurt School theoreticians Herbert Marcuse, Theodor Adorno, Walter Benjamin, Erich Fromm, and Max Horkheimer. Horkheimer described a theory as critical insofar as it seeks "to liberate human beings from the circumstances that enslave them."[3]

In sociology and political philosophy, "Critical Theory" means the Western-Marxist philosophy of the Frankfurt School, developed in Germany in the 1930s and drawing on the ideas of Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud. Though a "critical theory" or a "critical social theory" may have similar elements of thought, capitalizing Critical Theory as if it were a proper noun stresses the intellectual lineage specific to the Frankfurt School.

Modern critical theory has also been influenced by György Lukács and Antonio Gramsci, as well as second-generation Frankfurt School scholars, notably Jürgen Habermas. In Habermas's work, critical theory transcended its theoretical roots in German idealism and progressed closer to American pragmatism. Concern for social "base and superstructure" is one of the remaining Marxist philosophical concepts in much contemporary critical theory.[4]:5–8

Postmodern critical theory analyzes the fragmentation of cultural identities in order to challenge modernist-era constructs such as metanarratives, rationality, and universal truths, while politicizing social problems "by situating them in historical and cultural contexts, to implicate themselves in the process of collecting and analyzing data, and to relativize their findings."[5]

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Max Horkheimer first defined critical theory (German: Kritische Theorie) in his 1937 essay "Traditional and Critical Theory", as a social theory oriented toward critiquing and changing society as a whole, in contrast to traditional theory oriented only toward understanding or explaining it. Wanting to distinguish critical theory as a radical, emancipatory form of Marxist philosophy, Horkheimer critiqued both the model of science put forward by logical positivism, and what he and his colleagues saw as the covert positivism and authoritarianism of orthodox Marxism and Communism. He described a theory as critical insofar as it seeks "to liberate human beings from the circumstances that enslave them."[6] Critical theory involves a normative dimension, either by criticizing society in terms of some general theory of values or norms (oughts), or by criticizing society in terms of its own espoused values (i.e. immanent critique).[7]

The core concepts of critical theory are that it should:

be directed at the totality of society in its historical specificity (i.e., how it came to be configured at a specific point in time)
improve understanding of society by integrating all the major social sciences, including geography, economics, sociology, history, political science, anthropology, and psychology

I'm positive none of you can distinguish between those three wiki postings, to which is why none of you have even attempted to back up your assertion. There is literally nothing conspiratorial or theoretical about the fact critical (race) praxis is occurring in society and it openly acknowledges its trying to undermine liberal values, it's the stated goal of critical (race) theory. The first wiki posting essentially says it's a conspiracy theory that critical race theorists want to transform society and undermine liberal values. CRT's stated goal is to transform society and undermine liberal values when it comes to race.

I'm just saying that people like J Peterson aren't explicitly antisemitic in their drivel. Which doesn't mean he isn't a useful mouthpiece for the far right so maybe it's a distinction without a difference.

LOL

You need to stop skimming, cutting and pasting and read a little.

CRT obviously has the goal of changing society. It's addressing a problem, systemic racism, that is persistent do in part to the fact that's it's never been addressed head on. America has gotten quite a bit better on the whole "Blacks aren't actual human beings thing " but we're still not where a modern democracy should be on the 'All men are created equal' score.

The reason you're on thin ice in this forum is because you're mindlessly cutting and pasting content that is absolutely based on the cultural Marxism conspiracy theories.

If you took the time to follow the money and see where your arguments are coming from (you seem to have no problem doing that with CRT) you'd understand what people here are telling you.

Also, you're informed enough at this point to start speaking in your own words.

And we're on the verge of getting this thread locked too.

What a **** show.

The issue that needs to be addressed by the mods in this thread is whether debating it's a conspiracy theory is allowed. It appears that's not allowed. You and a few others make a statement of fact ITT, that it is a conspiracy theory, consequently inviting the debate. I obviously reject that idea. If it's not allowed to be rebutted, they should stop you all from making that claim.

They obviously don't want any other discussion about critical race theory to occur either, including insights from other sources, actual occurrences of critical race paraxis occurring in society, and academic literature from critical race theorist, which is the bulk of my posting on the topic. The marxist epistemology of critical race theory is a real thing. Calling critical race theory/praxis Marxist, isn't a conspiracy theory. There's an overwhelming amount of literature from critical race theorists explicitly stating its from critical theory, which is Western Marxism, while also having a significant amount of literature explicitly calling for critical praxis with the goal of undermining liberal values, while also having significant amount of evidence demonstrating critical race praxis is occurring in public institutions.

I'm actually on thin ice because I can cut through the b******* you all talk. I'm not going to let you lie, because that's what this is at this point. You're welcome to elaborate what's incorrect about what I posted in the second paragraph.

critical praxis Marxist race f**** theory epistemology is a very real thing, you guys

The wheels of the bus go round and round, round and round......

its hot..... serious question here. Are you the only one charging the windmills? Has anyone else mounted their steed and followed you into battle on this subject?

It's not really a complaint, because if the mods are good with it I don't really care if you knock out a thousand more posts in a CRT thread. Just an observation.

Itshot seems to be charging windmills I agree.
So I checked what Jordan Peterson has to say about CRT. I'm not a huge fan of him. He is posting here on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeter..._in_one_photo/

https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeter...ace_theory_is/

There are 2 posters here in the comments that have some good points. (very lengthy posts) and one seems to have similar points as itshot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeter...ments_view_all

Itshot I don't think they took your thread down for no reason. You might have, as many of us some sort or compulsion. You were repeating the same points over and over. Also there is a lack of reasoning when you say truism and comparing it to religion imo. Putting it on a syllabus must mean something. I probably shouldn't talk about it, as I don't have any real knowledge of this. But since we talked Itshot I feel obliged to give you some feedback. I'm not a racist, I truly dislike racists. But to call every white person a racist is wrong too imo.

I disagree with Itshot but it isn't hard to follow his argument. It basically goes like this: 1) Some CRT people claim they are Marxist, therefore we should believe them.

I think it's irrelevant and counterproductive even, but he should certainly be allowed to say it.

No, but I'm not sure how relevant that is. People in that thread were arguing they don't know anything about critical race theory, but are convinced my criticism is based on a conspiracy theory.

To be clear, I think the movement is ideologically based on Marxism, not necessarily it's followers.

Edit: ^ that was not Jordan Peterson posting himself.
It was posted on his forum, so it.must be in line with his stance and he would delete it if he didn't agree.

This is a video of he heritage foundation a right wing think tank Imo. It explains the origins and the problems with CRT. Pretty much what itshot is saying.


This is a tweet of J.P. who is a doctor lecturing at some university

If all he were saying was "CRT is a spin-off from previous Marxist thought" no one would care. The rest of us aren't running scared from the idea that Marxist theory might have influence in some modern ideas, but if I start pointing out neo-Platonists in academia and ranting about how the Greeks are setting to take over I'd start getting funny looks too.

"We do have an ideological framework, we are trained community organizers, we are trained to Marxist. "

Founder, Black Lives Matter. Probably the most significant social/political movement in our generation.

LOL

A Big part of your problem is you don't take the time to read, comprehend and reflect on what other posters say before you respond to them.

Cultural Marxism is a conspiracy theory. You are cutting a pasting content that is based on Cultural Marxism. No one is talking bullshit to you.

I still think you'd do better to rely on your own words and put together your own thoughts from the content you're posting instead of just spamming your threads with random stuff.

But...just my 2 cents. You do you.

It's because according the the Cultural Marxist CT just saying Marxist wins the debate.

He's honestly stuck since no one itt cares.

Poor fellow.

Cut and paste this. No, I post what critical race theorist and people who are pushing CRT actually say. It's not me, or anyone else, who are making s*** up about BLM being a Marxists movement just because we don't them, or their ideas. We don't like them precisely because they are a marxist-based movement, have Marxiat-based ideas and they say so explicitly. Critical Race is a critical theory. That's not a f****** conspiracy theory.

You are full of s***.

First time I clicked on this thread in a while, and I admit not quite the discussion I expected, but perhaps with this site being sold it is getting more relaxed.

In that regard I would like to ask the mods if Lucky can get some posting closure on his UFO thing from a few months ago (contained within his thread). Kind of hard to see why that would not be allowed when this moderation thread has turned into the nutjob above me with his manifesto, but figure best to be sure since we do not want Lucky to be banned again.

I think it's abundantly clear the people who are railing against me don't like the characterization of "marxist" when talking about critical race theory. At any point in time they can demonstrate how it differentiates itself from critical theory framework. Of of course that's impossible because critical race theory is a critical theory, so they revert to these broad-based claims of a conspiracy theory when you associate Marxism to critical race theory.

If you're not scared of Marxism, stop being scared of a Marxist movement being labeled marxist.