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08-21-2023 , 10:52 PM
Yeah this is a hate crime, maybe that's why they don't (want to) hype it up.

There were a couple of these in the U.S. and Europe I haven't heard about.
Maybe hate crimes don't sell well.
It's terrible that this happens though.
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08-21-2023 , 11:01 PM
With a name like Travis, even if your surname is 池口 suggests at least partial redneck.
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08-21-2023 , 11:12 PM
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With a name like Travis, even if your surname is 池口 suggests at least partial redneck.
Maybe we will get a HuffPo piece tomorrow reporting he is part white and really leaned into that part of his identity.

I remember there was an alleged hate crime murder sometime in the last couple years (I dont remember the exact details), and they couldn't really find any good details about the suspect to support the hate crime part of the story, but they did find out one of his grandfathers was a Republican politician, and the whole narrative became about the grandfather's politics. It was very bizarre. I'll try to find it at some point.
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08-21-2023 , 11:19 PM
And just in case you think I was exaggerating my last point:

https://www.kcra.com/article/colorad...firm/42029504#

--Despite admitting the shooter didn't even have a relationship with the grandfather, they still made the grandfather's politics a major part of the story.
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08-21-2023 , 11:35 PM
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Bump.

So now that it has been a few weeks, the investigation should be resolved, and the information that is legally mandated to be publish should be available, correct?
What information do you believe is legally mandated to be published? There is either an on going criminal investigation or there will be an official determination that the death was accidental and the investigation will cease.
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08-21-2023 , 11:38 PM
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How it works is the media normally gets information right away (one way or another), and then depending on how badly want to run the story, the media and authorities negotiate a time before they start releasing the info.
I hope you realize in the real world that this isn't how it works.
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08-21-2023 , 11:48 PM
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I'd say Dunyain is at least partially vindicated. The guy's name wasn't Ibrahim Qassadd but partially.
To be fair, when I saw the details were being slow played this long I figured the most likely scenario was the person was black and/or Muslim OR the entire hate crime angle was made up and there was some other motivation for the crime (like a robbery gone wrong).

A guy with a Japanese last name who posted LGBTQ hate on Gab is actually closer to the narrative than I expected.
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08-23-2023 , 09:33 AM
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Of course, kelhus is lying again, there are hundreds of news articles about his death.

Here's one from the AP:

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FACT FOCUS: No head trauma or suspicious circumstances in drowning of Obamas’ chef, police say
FILE - White House Chef Tafari Campbell smiles, Nov. 6, 2008, on the South Lawn of the White House in Washington. Social media users are casting doubt about the drowning death of Campbell, former President Barack Obama’s personal chef, on Martha’s Vineyard on Sunday, July 23, 2023. His body was recovered Monday, July 24. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds, File)
FILE - White House Chef Tafari Campbell smiles, Nov. 6, 2008, on the South Lawn of the White House in Washington. Social media users are casting doubt about the drowning death of Campbell, former President Barack Obama’s personal chef, on Martha’s Vineyard on Sunday, July 23, 2023. His body was recovered Monday, July 24. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds, File)

BY PHILIP MARCELO AND MELISSA GOLDIN
Updated 6:47 PM EDT, July 26, 2023
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The drowning death of former President Barack Obama’s personal chef on Martha’s Vineyard this week is sparking a frenzy of false claims on social media, as users share conspiracy theories and baseless speculation about what happened.

Many are suggesting, without evidence, that Tafari Campbell died under questionable circumstances, claiming he knew how to swim and was in calm, shallow water. Others are sharing patently untrue statements, such as that he was found with head injuries or was equipped with a life vest.

But Massachusetts authorities confirmed on Wednesday that Campbell didn’t suffer any head trauma, nor was he wearing a life vest, and there’s no evidence the death was suspicious. They said he lost his balance while standing on his paddleboard and struggled to stay afloat when he fell into the water. Water safety experts also stressed that even strong swimmers can drown, regardless of the type of water they’re in.

Here’s a closer look at the misinformation circulating around the death, and the actual facts.

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CLAIM: Campbell suspiciously suffered blunt force injuries to the head and had been wearing a life vest when he died.

THE FACTS: Massachusetts State Police and the state medical examiner’s office say there was no external trauma or injuries on Campbell’s body.

Dave Procopio, a state police spokesperson, also confirmed the 45-year-old Dumfries, Virginia, resident was not wearing a personal flotation device nor was he leashed to his paddleboard when he went under the water on Sunday evening.

In a statement provided Wednesday, he said the agency’s investigation and the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner’s initial post-mortem examination have “found no evidence that the death was suspicious.”

Another paddleboarder told police that Campbell, who had worked as a chef for the Obamas since their time in the White House, had been standing on his board when he lost his balance and fell in.

The other paddleboarder had tried to swim to Campbell as he struggled to stay afloat, but they weren’t able to reach him “in time,” the statement said.

The paddleboarder then swam ashore and notified another person, who called 911.

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CLAIM: Former President Barack Obama was paddleboarding with Campbell when he died.

THE FACTS: The other paddleboarder who witnessed the incident was not Obama, former first lady Michelle Obama nor the couple’s two adult daughters, state police confirm.

Procopio said the family, which has long vacationed on the resort island off Massachusetts, had been elsewhere Sunday evening.

“I won’t comment on where exactly President and Mrs. Obama were, but they were not at the house or with Mr. Campbell that evening,” he said.

The Obamas’ 6,892-square-foot estate sits on 30 acres overlooking Edgartown Great Pond, where Campbell drowned.

Procopio declined to identify the other paddler who had been with Campbell, saying the agency generally does not identify witnesses.

As to exactly where the Obamas were on the island Sunday, a spokesperson for the former president declined to comment Wednesday.

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CLAIM: The medical examiner’s office has “called off” its autopsy.

THE FACTS: That’s false. The initial post-mortem examination of the body is complete, leading officials to conclude the death wasn’t suspicious.

Officials are now just awaiting the results of toxicology tests, which generally take several weeks, according to Procopio.

“For the autopsy to be considered complete, the toxicology tests would be finalized and the results reviewed,” he said.

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CLAIM: Campbell’s death is suspicious because he knew how to swim and was in a pond with access to a paddleboard he could have held onto.

THE FACTS: Water safety experts told the AP that none of these factors would necessarily prevent someone from drowning, a tragedy that often occurs quickly and silently.

Some online are pointing to a video on Campbell’s Instagram account that shows a man swimming laps at a pool as evidence that the chef was an able swimmer.

Although the level of Campbell’s swimming abilities is unclear, Adam Katchmarchi, executive director of the National Drowning Prevention Alliance, said that even the best swimmers can and do drown.

For example, they may suffer a medical emergency that prevents them from staying afloat, even if they have an object such as a paddleboard to hold onto. Or they may find themselves in an environment they’re not trained to handle — like tides or currents — especially if they overestimate their strength and stamina.

Additionally, a pond is not necessarily safe just because it’s smaller and less volatile than other bodies of water. Murky waters can obscure hazards beneath the surface, and safety equipment or assistance are not always available nearby.

What’s more, Edgartown Great Pond is not all that shallow, as some online had claimed. Campbell’s body was found about 100 feet (30 meters) from shore at a depth of about 8 feet (2.4 meters), according to state police.

The pond has an average depth of 3 to 4.3 feet. But people can drown in far shallower water, so long as their mouth and nose are submerged, said Tom Gill, vice president of the United States Lifesaving Association.

“It doesn’t even take 8 feet of water,” Gill said. “It could take 1 foot of water.”

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Associated Press reporter Angelo Fichera in New York contributed to this story.

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This is part of AP’s effort to address widely shared misinformation, including work with outside companies and organizations to add factual context to misleading content that is circulating online. Learn more about fact-checking at AP.

PHILIP MARCELO
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wtf? How can anyone not swim? I really don't get that. It only takes 5 minutes to learn how to swim and it is a crucial life or death determimgimg skill they should teach at schools. Actually the parents should be required to teach swimming and just to make double sure it should be the government's responsibility too.

Why couldn't the other guy rescue him? he saw him but could not reach him in time? lol

Last edited by washoe; 08-23-2023 at 09:46 AM.
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08-23-2023 , 09:37 AM
If you can't swim you shouldn't enter a plane, a boat, or go anywhere near water, which is basically everywhere. The planet is what? 80% water right?

We teach that at school as per mandate. It not optional. Every kid has to know how to swim and knows how to swim here. Another thing the us is lacking.

I know a guy from the US army that can't swim, can you believe that? He is a US soldier.

We laugh about soldiers that can't swim. It's unbelievable to us. what if your plane crashes? or you have to get somewhere near water? rescue someone from water? rescue yourself...

A non swimming soldier is not a soldier imo. He is a ballast. and a sitting duck. all you have to do disable him is put him in water.

Last edited by washoe; 08-23-2023 at 09:47 AM.
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08-23-2023 , 09:49 AM
He could swim but not great I'd say. he took lessons imo.

Here is a an article where it says he took lessons. why can people not swim idk.. It's umfathomable.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/ne...-progress.html
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08-23-2023 , 09:55 AM
Ok, I think 3 posts in a row expressing surprise that other people exist with different lives than yours is sufficient.
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08-23-2023 , 09:55 AM
Lucky, how can anybody not swim??

It should be illegal to not know how to swim.

And why did he go paddle boarding if he doesn't know how to swim well?

What kind of planning is that? he had kids and was the chef of Obama.
I really don't get this story.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obamas-...thas-vineyard/
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08-23-2023 , 09:58 AM
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Ok, I think 3 posts in a row expressing surprise that other people exist with different lives than yours is sufficient.
It's more about common sense than different lifes imo. Do you understand how a US soldier is unable to swim and in the US service?

He was in Iraq and Afghanistan and can't swim. How can I understand this?

What if you fall into a pool at nights? or your plane crashes? or a tsunami comes? or you want to go kayaking?
no possible.
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08-23-2023 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Lucky, how can anybody not swim??

It should be illegal to not know how to swim.
Idk. It definitely makes sense that everyone should teach their kids how to swim.

In Brazil it's mandatory to learn to drive a manual transmission-- when you take your driver's exam there they supply you with a manual transmission vehicle to drive. They could also throw you in a pool at the same time.

I'm in the process of teaching a 4 year old currently (not currently currently but whenever we go to the pool-- but she doesn't like getting her face wet which is a bit problematic).
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08-23-2023 , 10:46 AM
It should be noted we still have no timeline at all for what actually happened. And all they did was say it was as accident with no further elaboration at all.

We dont even really have an explanation for why he was in Martha's Vineyard in the first place (was he working, visiting as a friend, housesitting?) or how he ended up padleboarding at 10 pm (or whatever time it was). ****, we have a better timeline for Chappaquiddick, and that was an admitted cover up.

Now a lot of this is probably not public information that should be legally divulged, but some of it is (such as the 911 call). The official reason given for withholding public facts has so far been because it is an active investigation. Will be interesting to see if they continue to withhold such information, and under what rationale.
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08-23-2023 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Idk. It definitely makes sense that everyone should teach their kids how to swim.

In Brazil it's mandatory to learn to drive a manual transmission-- when you take your driver's exam there they supply you with a manual transmission vehicle to drive. They could also throw you in a pool at the same time.

I'm in the process of teaching a 4 year old currently (not currently currently but whenever we go to the pool-- but she doesn't like getting her face wet which is a bit problematic).
It's pretty much mandatory here too. at least it was. now they are lacking funds and locations, due to corona they couldn't take the kids swimming.

throw her into water and watch from the sidelines.

good work though.
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08-23-2023 , 10:53 AM
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It should be noted we still have no timeline at all for what actually happened. And all they did was say it was as accident with no further elaboration at all.

We dont even really have an explanation for why he was in Martha's Vineyard in the first place (was he working, visiting as a friend, housesitting?) or how he ended up padleboarding at 10 pm (or whatever time it was). ****, we have a better timeline for Chappaquiddick, and that was an admitted cover up.

Now a lot of this is probably not public information that should be legally divulged, but some of it is (such as the 911 call). The official reason given for withholding public facts has so far been because it is an active investigation. Will be interesting to see if they continue to withhold such information, and under what rationale.
Maybe he got whacked for knowing too much. he was the personal chef of Obama. This story is weird but believable as he really took swimming classes. Nobody ever died on a paddle board from drowning though imo. I wanna see stats on this. It's gotta be practically zero.
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08-23-2023 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Maybe he got whacked for knowing too much. he was the personal chef of Obama. This story is weird but believable as he really took swimming classes. Nobody ever died on a paddle board from drowning though imo. I wanna see stats on this. It's gotta be practically zero.
What story?

We have no story. All we have is that he was somehow on a paddle board at night on a lake and he "accidentally" died. There is no story even being proffered.
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08-23-2023 , 11:13 AM
Even if they aren't doing a full autopsy, wouldn't they still do a toxicology report?
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08-23-2023 , 11:16 AM
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...e-flag-killing

--Looks like we know as much as the establishment wants us to know about this one. He was a Christian, he posted LGBTQ hate stuff online at some point (but at this point we can assume he never posted anything pro Republican or we would know about it), he was very anti-police (this seems personal as his estranged father was a police officer) and he was basically homeless, and then he shot someone and was killed by police for it.

--Looks like we aren't going to be given any backstory, or even any timeline for the incident itself. And this article admits there is actually video, but doesn't look like we are getting it. Given his strong anti-police sentiment it is possible this was a homicide/suicide and he was hoping to take some police with him (this is all from me, the article doesn't even attempt to offer a motive).

--And looks like the establishment isn't really interested in making this a national story at all, as far as "hate crime" killings go, compare this to the Arbery case for example.

--Assuming we are being given the truth, that this was a hate crime killing, it is actually surprising how disinterested the national media is given how they tend to promote these type of stories (when the demographics fit the preferred narrative).

--I suspect the fact he was homeless and Asian American really makes the left not want anything to do with this story, for obvious reasons. They got a couple shots in against Christianity and some Republican lawmakers, and they are ok to just leave it at that.
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08-23-2023 , 11:17 AM
Simultaneously, the Water Sports Foundation (WSF), a non-profit that advocates for water safety, reported a record high 202 paddlesport fatalities in the U.S. in 2020, accounting for 26 per cent of the country's boating deaths that year. A major catalyst for this increase was paddlers' lack of experience.
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08-23-2023 , 11:18 AM
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Even if they aren't doing a full autopsy, wouldn't they still do a toxicology report?
One would assume so. Good luck finding this out though.
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08-23-2023 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunyain
https://www.latimes.com/california/s...e-flag-killing

--Looks like we know as much as the establishment wants us to know about this one. He was a Christian, he posted LGBTQ hate stuff online at some point (but at this point we can assume he never posted anything pro Republican or we would know about it), he was very anti-police (this seems personal as his estranged father was a police officer) and he was basically homeless, and then he shot someone and was killed by police for it.

--Looks like we aren't going to be given any backstory, or even any timeline for the incident itself. And this article admits there is actually video, but doesn't look like we are getting it. Given his strong anti-police sentiment it is possible this was a homicide/suicide and he was hoping to take some police with him (this is all from me, the article doesn't even attempt to offer a motive).

--And looks like the establishment isn't really interested in making this a national story at all, as far as "hate crime" killings go, compare this to the Arbery case for example.

--Assuming we are being given the truth, that this was a hate crime killing, it is actually surprising how disinterested the national media is given how they tend to promote these type of stories (when the demographics fit the preferred narrative).

--I suspect the fact he was homeless and Asian American really makes the left not want anything to do with this story, for obvious reasons. They got a couple shots in against Christianity and some Republican lawmakers, and they are ok to just leave it at that.

He was homeless?

Yes they don't want to talk about the homeless because then theyd have to do something which they don't want.

They just want to fill their pockets.
And you fill your pockets by sending weapons to Ukraine atm. earlier it was by mandating crazy covid rules.

They are all going nuts in the streets.
But we are giving them no money and no help. Instead of not leaving them in the streets robbing us, we send money to Ukraine. earlier it was Afghanistan. Outcome, unclear.
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08-23-2023 , 11:56 AM
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He was a Christian, he posted LGBTQ hate stuff online at some point[...]
--And looks like the establishment isn't really interested in making this a national story at all, as far as "hate crime" killings go, compare this to the Arbery case for example.
Yes, "the establishment" would never want to push a story showing Christians to be anti-LGBTQ. It seems you just make up whatever the narrative of "the establishment" is to fit whatever story you read. Somehow the only consistent thing is that you are the special one who sees through it all and isn't misled.
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08-23-2023 , 01:02 PM
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Yes, "the establishment" would never want to push a story showing Christians to be anti-LGBTQ. It seems you just make up whatever the narrative of "the establishment" is to fit whatever story you read. Somehow the only consistent thing is that you are the special one who sees through it all and isn't misled.
It is your opinion that the media covers all stories equally regardless of the identities of the victim and perpetrator?

And if you believe that they don't cover all stories equally, do you think it's possible that we might be able to detect some patterns in how they treat some stories differently from others?
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