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If Biden wins in a close popular vote count on election night does Trump concede, saying he does not want to wait and see what the mail in votes say?

Or even though the Mail in Votes are unlikely to support him and he has been saying they should not be counted, does he suddenly reverse that position?

Not really a question as I think we all know the answer. MOre of a bookmark post.

Noted, I guess, but every sentient human is making this prediction. It's a stone cold lock.

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10-24-2020 , 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by noon

Joe Biden is crushing it.

At this point, I think Michigan and Wisconsin are sure gains for Biden, as well as holding onto all states Clinton won in 2016.

Trump has to take Pennsylvania or it's over imo. If Pennsylvania is called for Biden, I can't see any way Biden doesn't become president.

What do you reckon?

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10-24-2020 , 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound

If you listen to conservatives, the polls are biased and Trump is headed for a landslide. I don't know what to believe anymore.

Back to reality, if Biden manages to hold on to his lead in Arizona, he can afford to lose either Michigan or Pennsylvania. But not both of course.

EDit: I'm assuming Biden wins both Nebraska and Maine 2nd districts.

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10-25-2020 , 12:00 AM

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Biden can lose PA and just squeak over the line (270)
Then the SCOTUS can steal it for Trump.
This map is 269-269,
Biden would need all of Maine (ME-2) to get over the line.

This is how close it can get if Trump steals Pennsylvania.

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10-25-2020 , 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by noon

I'm not sure why you say ...if Trump STEALS PA.... he won it on the square last time....

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10-25-2020 , 08:59 AM

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I'm not sure why you say ...if Trump STEALS PA.... he won it on the square last time....

If a party has won a state for the last 6 elections you tend to think the other party has stolen it if they win it.

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10-25-2020 , 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bundy5

If a party has won a state for the last 6 elections you tend to think the other party has stolen it if they win it.

Stolen may have an implied rule breaking/cheating meaning.

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10-25-2020 , 10:23 AM

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I don't normally worry about any state having faithless electors, but as a cushion I am hoping Biden gets to at least 300 electoral votes.

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10-25-2020 , 11:51 AM

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Good question, not sure how Biden wins any Oil and Gas state.

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10-25-2020 , 12:14 PM

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The only thing going for that twitter post is that it's one of the most clear and obvious examples of a strawman argument that I've ever seen. It would be genuinely difficult to come up with even a hypothetical example that more clearly demonstrates the fallacy.

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10-25-2020 , 12:44 PM

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Good question, not sure how Biden wins any Oil and Gas state.

if this logic appeals to the average trump voter and they think that super moderate almost a republican biden is going to be the end of the oil and gas industry, then there's a good chance they are too naive or dumb to be converted anyway.

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10-25-2020 , 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Shifty86

Good question, not sure how Biden wins any Oil and Gas state.

Biden has been horrible on the energy topic. One day no fracking next day yes on fracking. What he said at the debate may cost him PA. No Joe you said Oil & Gas be gone not subsidies.

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10-25-2020 , 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CheckCheckFold

Stolen may have an implied rule breaking/cheating meaning.

Do you have any rational example of Trump "cheating/rule breaking" in PA last time (other than receiving more votes than his opponent)?

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10-25-2020 , 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by noon

You think Biden will definitely win Arizona?

I said that Michigan and Wisconsin looked certain for Biden, but now I'm not so sure. Been speaking to a guy who said he's betting millions on Trump to win. He must be very sure of a Trump win if he's betting that much. These polls could all be wrong.

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10-25-2020 , 02:07 PM

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The people on the other side of his bets feel just as confident and/or the bookmakers are happy that he is helping create a middle position for them if they had received too many Biden bets prior. From their perspective - these polls could all be right.

All the best.

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10-25-2020 , 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by np1235711

Do you have any rational example of Trump "cheating/rule breaking" in PA last time (other than receiving more votes than his opponent)?

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10-25-2020 , 04:39 PM

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he said rational

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10-25-2020 , 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ligastar

That man has a nice impish smile but I understand that serves as a prima facie case in the dorm room but you honestly think that's why Trump won in 2016....

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10-25-2020 , 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by np1235711

That man has a nice impish smile but I understand that serves as a prima facie case in the dorm room but you honestly think that's why Trump won in 2016....

Of course. Why do you express such incredulous surprise?

Trump doesn't squeak by by the slimmest of margins in 2016 if his campaign doesn't coordinate with Russia to run election interference.

You act as if this is a novel idea. As if you haven't been paying attention to American politics over the past five years. Frankly, it's a pretty bad look on your part.

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10-25-2020 , 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ligastar

No.... its not a novel idea I've heard it for 3.9 years.... but you should call Director Mueller and give him the evidence that he and his fellows couldn't unearth.... you know .... something tangible like Don Jr's computer with e-mails from Vlad.....hahahah

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10-25-2020 , 05:29 PM

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The explicit collusion wasn't proved (at least to the extent that it would have been viable to seek a criminal prosecution) but the fact that Russian interference had an impact on the 2016 election has been accepted as fact by literally everyone outside of Trump's direct circle.

Obviously there are so many factors that it's not possible to determine exactly how much impact any one thing had but to deny that Russian interference had any impact is to be living outside of reality.

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10-25-2020 , 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Willd

Yes.... $400,000 in Russian Facebook ads what the thing that made Trump president.... not the fact Hil never visited WI and didn't visit MI until the Friday before the election and the fact the establishment (both R's and D's) did everything humanly possible to make the muscular class's life as horrible as possible, right.... $400,000 buys an awful lot in your eyes.....

Mueller didn't find anything that could pass the laugh test other than a process crime against a general and Manafort didn't pay his taxes or properly register as a foreign agent.

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10-25-2020 , 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by np1235711

Blatantly lying about what the Russians did is not a particularly good look.

Mueller indicted 34 people. Not just a general and Manafort.

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10-25-2020 , 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Blatantly lying about what the Russians did is not a particularly good look.

Mueller indicted 34 people. Not just a general and Manafort.

OK.... give me the rundown on convictions.... the Greek guy got 14 whole days for exactly what....you can continue at your pleasure with your entire list of skullduggery unearthed by Heir Mueller... please elucidate.....

EDIT https://time.com/5556331/mueller-inv...-guilty-pleas/

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10-25-2020 , 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by np1235711

People forget the data on candidates visiting states leading to improved outcomes is somewhere between thin and nonexistent. She also visited PA a lot and still lost there.

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