Asphyxiation - they just suffocate.

Epstein "had two fractures on the left and right sides of his larynx, specifically the thyroid cartilage or Adam's apple, as well as one fracture on the left hyoid bone above the Adam's apple", which is a lot of damage from just hanging yourself on your knees.

That Crowder video is total BS he just leans forward lol. Someone sufficiently motivated could exert a hell of a lot more force.

Well yeah. Epstein being a big one.
There are issues with JFK although that is a giant can of worms that would be difficult to get into any sort of detail about.
I'm having a little trouble with the terms "hoax" and "false" because I think you when you're saying that you mean "not perpetrated by state actors" when lots of conspiracy theories are hoaxes perpetrated by state actors.
As far as "popular" ones that I think are just straight false, and not a hoax...I can't think of any. I'm generally skeptical about depopulation narratives that can be popular in conspircy circles but I don't think that's what you're looking for either.

What would be your list of the top 10 conspiracies in terms of popularity and separately (if possible) accuracy from your opinion. Mildly curious if this Epstein whatever cracks the top 10.

Kind of surprised you don't find any of the popular ones as straight false, would that not include Flat Earth, Lizard People and aliens (who may or may not have Elvis)? Does that mean you believe all of those, and more, are actually "true?" Thanks in advance.

All the best.

i didnt say flat earth becuase we have to assume and actually know people who believe in that, are hard level 10 trolling. even though there are videos and sites dedicated to it. Its just not valid all of it is dogshit.


i meant false or hoax as in a popular conspiracy theory you just dont believe or think happened. i.e jks assasination which you seem to have strong doubts, which , in your ook, i ll take as you not believing in it. cuz I think you speculated on some pretty wild stuff in the past

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...php?p=55718507

Flat Earth thread is here and I have like 20 posts in it, half of them from today offering advice to Billy. (As I find most of his opposition there to be rather obnoxious). Some of what he's offered up hasn't been bad and he seems to take it seriously.

TWA Flight 800. There is a theory that it was hit with a missile that seems to lack evidence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_...iracy_theories

anyone watchthe 60 mins on epstein ep today?

tl:dw maybe he did maybe he didnt. inconclusive need more evidence.

Is that even a popular one? Obviously some conspiracy theories stand the test of time (9/11 JFK etc.), but do you believe in pretty much every conspiracy theory as part of your hobby/compulsion? How about some from the disco era like Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster, and the Yeti. There is a dude that shows up on the Stern show once in a while talking about all his conspiracy stuff, with Dogmen being his big thing he believes in (apparently there are shows and sites dedicated to people telling their tales).

Do you believe in all this stuff, or if asked do you do the online poker riggie thing of avoiding directly criticizing anyone else who has a general similar paranoia, regardless of their specific belief. Thanks in advance.

All the best.

I'm sure (or at least I hope) you can think of many conspiracy theories that you don't believe in.

For example, surely you don't believe the moon landing was faked?

There is some quote "it's good to have an open mind but not so open that your brain falls out". But mine is pretty open. Yeah we can throw out big foot, and the loch ness monster and yeti. There are too many people I respect who believe in moon landing conspiracies for me to be able to throw it out. Dave McGowan--the Laurel Canyon guy I've talked about previously in this thead as a long series of articles on it. And unfortunately there are some errors in them I'm pretty sure but Dave was a smart guy. https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie-1/ And my favorite youtuber Debora Barbosa (now getting her PhD studying propaganda) has a moon landing video. But Debora isn't right about everything either.
But McGowan says something about how the moon landing has a time limit associated with it that I found interesting. It's been 50 years and people generally accept it. But will they in another 50 if no one goes back? Or In a couple hundred? Probably not. And so even though I won't live forever, I never worried about it too much.

what do you mean in your last sentence? are you talking about logistically like maybe we CANT land on the mooon?


is the 9/11 consipracy that US knew about the attacks or they did them themselves?

I find the Laurel Canyon conspiracy to be pretty silly quite frankly. Our military ballooned out in size during ww2 to such a degree that Everyone was basically related to someone involved somehow. To work backwards and say this guy, that guy and those 2 guys had relatives involved isn't really saying much at all. To point out that some SoCal kids had relatives in the military etc is about as clever as pointing out you know some SoCal kids who like In N Out. Ya, pretty much everyone does.

Maybe all the people who disappear in psy-ops live on a secret government moonbase.

China claims to have gone in 2013 and India more recently--although unmanned of course. But it's the claim from NASA that all of the technology (and tapes and data) have been lost. The fact that there hasn't been a manned mission in 48 or so years is "curious". What I mean is that if there isn't a manned mission in 148 years then it will be super curious.
But this isn't really something I have any intention of talking about here nor do I think it would be allowed. Rococo asked me if I dismissed it and given that some of my favorite and most respected conspiracy people don't dismiss it, I'm forced to keep an open mind

This is another disallowed topic but no, I do not believe that the US government "allowed it to happen".

i get that. just feel that thre is no reason to spend resources for a moonlanding, nothign else to gain from it.


back on topic and my previous post above, i ave you all the tl dr of 60mins ep, but super gratz to 60 mins actually trying to tackleit

Luckbox is a typical crazy theorist who can't point to anything as evidence to support his loony beliefs or even link together undisputed facts to provide a coherent narrative for an alternate narrative. He is just able to question everything as true or shove it into a psych op category without explaining who, what or why something is running a psych op.

While there is reason to question if Epstein was suicidal or killed by his enemies, only true crazies reject both and claim he must still be alive.

What is it that you want to know? I'm pretty sure I've addressed every Epstein question you've ever asked.

And speaking of Epstein it looks like they've released some autopsy photos
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tmz...stions-raised/

Yeah , you answered every one- it's all a big psych ops, duuuuuuuuuuuude.

Strange that you link photos of a dead man's injuries to your theory that Epstein is still alive. Very consistent.

I'm supposed to pretend like they didn't just release pictures yesterday? Is that your suggestion for how I should operate?

You seem able to pretend all kinds of other things exist or do not exist when you arrive at your belief about Epstein. Why are these photos different? They are from the main stream media, right?

I never claimed they were different. Pictures and video are evidence and while not infallible, can be some of the best evidence there is.
What is it that I've pretended doesn't exist? Before yesterday there was one (very problematic) picture of a supposedly dead Epstein and now we have three. In a few more months after a court order we'll probably have the full autopsy report.

Do you mean other than dead bodies, autopsies, grieving families and grave sites or are you limiting your question to Epstein?

Are the ligature marks a hoax or did Epstein pose for them before he went to prison? Or did he not go to prison?