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They can just actually occupy it (not fake occupy like you all say they were doing pre Oct 7) and it can never get rebuilt if you prefer

Killing seems to have slown down tremendously. But Israel isn't just going to leave with hamas as the defacto government. It would be beyond stupid and irresponsible for them to,

This will be an extremely ugly scenario and I doubt Israel wants to do this.

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01-21-2024 , 01:55 PM

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This will be an extremely ugly scenario and I doubt Israel wants to do this.

Of course they don't. They need to destroy hamas or have them surrender

They do not want to occupy it but i was asked to what end. I answered

You don't think they should withdraw with Hamas remaining in power do you?

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01-21-2024 , 02:24 PM

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it has not slowed down. dont post misinformation. and starvation is setting in. people are eating animal feed.

every day they report over 100 killed. its ofc much more bc people are dying of exposure, starvation, infection as well and many are not even found.

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01-21-2024 , 02:28 PM

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I never stated anything about fake occupation and I fully support Israel's existence and in principle its right to defend itself. The question remains if Hamas don't surrender. I don't have a problem with the IDF occupying Gaza rather than leave Hamas in charge, however weakened they may be. But they can't just keep obliterating Gaza killing thousands of civilians in the process. Again at some point the humanitarian cost outweighs the objective. Israel should attempt a buffer zone imo.

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01-21-2024 , 02:29 PM

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Just lovely, yes zionists?

Was the American guarding a command center?

HamasⓇ

absolutely horrifying story. kid wanted to visit Palestine before graduation and he got ran off the road by settlers and the army and the pumped full of bullets.

and NYT showing no bias at all like usual

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01-21-2024 , 02:35 PM

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Somebody's found a new bff.

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01-21-2024 , 02:39 PM

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The question remains if Hamas don't surrender.

there will not be anything left to surrender when this is over.

israeli society is almost completely united on this point, and the usa isn't going to stop them. quite right too

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01-21-2024 , 02:54 PM

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there will not be anything left to surrender when this is over.

israeli society is almost completely united on this point, and the usa isn't going to stop them. quite right too

Elaborate on this please. Nothing left of Hamas, Gaza or both?

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01-21-2024 , 02:56 PM

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Gaza will not be rebuilt with hamas in power

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01-21-2024 , 02:58 PM

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And? Would destroying the entirety of Gaza to defeat Hamas be justified, for example?

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01-21-2024 , 03:00 PM

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And? Would destroying the entirety of Gaza to defeat Hamas be justified, for example?

The infrastructure? Yes. It will eventually be rebuilt

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01-21-2024 , 03:00 PM

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They would surrender so that their people could survive

So not genocide, just the threat of genocide

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01-21-2024 , 03:01 PM

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Elaborate on this please. Nothing left of Hamas, Gaza or both?

Can I say the line?

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01-21-2024 , 03:12 PM

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The infrastructure? Yes. It will eventually be rebuilt

No not just the infrastructure. What about the people who are living in the infrastructure? Is it justified? Are you saying there's absolutely unequivocally no other method?

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Can I say the line?

Does it involve babies?

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01-21-2024 , 03:19 PM

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Elaborate on this please. Nothing left of Hamas, Gaza or both?

nothing left of hamas, plenty left of gaza and the rest will be rebuilt with a non-holocausty government in charge

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01-21-2024 , 03:36 PM

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nothing left of hamas, plenty left of gaza and the rest will be rebuilt with a non-holocausty government in charge

Correct

But that doesn't fit their narrative

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01-21-2024 , 03:40 PM

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What does “nothing left of hamas” actually mean when you all are saying it? Definition needed, otherwise how will you know when it’s achieved

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01-21-2024 , 03:40 PM

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It doesn't fit the facts

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01-21-2024 , 03:59 PM

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What does “nothing left of hamas” actually mean when you all are saying it? Definition needed, otherwise how will you know when it’s achieved

my expectation is that once the leadership are dead and the infrastructure (mainly the tunnels) are ctrl-alt-del'd then hamas will fall apart very quickly. local interests will start to jostle for post-hamas power, and the majority of the surviving foot soldiers will conclude that the shoah they were promised is very much off

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01-21-2024 , 04:40 PM

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nothing left of hamas, plenty left of gaza and the rest will be rebuilt with a non-holocausty government in charge

Okay. I get that and have zero problem with the eradication of Hamas. Honest question do you think this is the best way to do it? No matter what cost to the Gazan populace? Hamas won't surrender and don't care about the Gazan people and are indeed hoping more of them will be killed so they can turn world opinion against Israel. So what then? Keep up the bombing no matter how many civilians die? Is it worth it? Should maybe other methods be applied instead?