Israel/Palestine thread - Page 285 - Politics and Society -- Two Plus Two Poker Forums

Two Plus Two Forums Other Topics Politics and Society

Israel/Palestine thread

Post Reply Subscribe

...

Page 285 of 1752

First

85 185 235 265 275 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 295 305 335 385 485 785 1285

Last

Page 285 of 1752

First

85 185 235 265 275 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 295 305 335 385 485 785 1285

Last

11-22-2023 , 04:36 PM

#7101

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 58,054

I think that was the most proximate cause anyway. Generally Hamas is a war party and war helps keep it in power. And war helps keep the hardliners in power in Iran too. So, I think hardliners were doing things they think help them maintain power. That explains a lot of what Netanyahu has done for the last couple decades.

Hamas obviously went too far for their own good though. Many of the people who hoped it would help them keep power will end up being killed.

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:37 PM

#7102

Trolly McTrollson

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 38,305

Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

So if 8,000 Jews being forced to leave Gaza is ethnic cleansing, why isn't forcing thousands of Muslim residents to leave North Gaza also ethnic cleansing?

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:37 PM

#7103

metsandfinsfan

banned

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160,445

Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

Speculation, but I think Hamas was trying to prevent the talks between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

That's part

You've seen Hamas leaders saying that fewer Palestinian civilians have died than they expected right

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:37 PM

#7104

Bubble_Balls

veteran

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 3,032

Quote:

Originally Posted by caseIIclosed

I would not.

Can’t define it, will know it when you see it, etc.

This all sounds pretty nebulous, as I said.

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:40 PM

#7105

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 58,054

Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

Countries that care should take the citizens as temporary refugees

8 million people have been forced to leave ukraine and they are refugees all over

Nobody is letting the palestenians leave and get temporary refugee status anywhere because the Palestinians are pawns in the Arab world and the geopolitics are more important than saving lives and we can blame the Jews on all the lives lost

I wish you Trumpkins would apply this to people from Central America.

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:40 PM

#7106

John21

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,577

Quote:

Originally Posted by caseIIclosed

Hamas will kill them if they try.

Hamas is a little preoccupied at the moment.

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:41 PM

#7107

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 58,054

Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

That's part

You've seen Hamas leaders saying that fewer Palestinian civilians have died than they expected right

I haven't seen that, but shrug. I don't think they care about Palestinian civilians any more than the IDF does.

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:42 PM

#7108

metsandfinsfan

banned

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160,445

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

So if 8,000 Jews being forced to leave Gaza is ethnic cleansing, why isn't forcing thousands of Muslim residents to leave North Gaza also ethnic cleansing?

They can stay but israel is letting them know they may get blown up

There's a war

If they wanted to ethnic cleanse they would have destroyed all of gaza already

I'm confident that gaza will not be run by Israel. You aren't. I have not heard 1 country in the world that supports Israel annexing Gaza after the war. So not sure what you imagine is found to happen but it's likely not reality

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:42 PM

#7109

metsandfinsfan

banned

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160,445

Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

I wish you Trumpkins would apply this to people from Central America.

Don't call me a trumpkin

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:43 PM

#7110

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 58,054

Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

Don't call me a trumpkin

Who did you vote for?

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:44 PM

#7111

metsandfinsfan

banned

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160,445

Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

I haven't seen that, but shrug. I don't think they care about Palestinian civilians any more than the IDF does.

You believe reports of israelis bombing peopleb leaving but not the reports of hamas not allowing people to go south and shooting because they want Palestinians to die so they can win the PR war

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:45 PM

#7112

caseIIclosed

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 1,183

Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

The failure of neighboring countries to help is depressing to watch. I'd talk more about it, but so many countries fail when it comes to this. It would be great if every civilian could leave and live a life of peace somewhere else. It just isn't viable.

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:45 PM

#7113

metsandfinsfan

banned

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160,445

Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

Who did you vote for?

So what

If the election was today i wouldn't vote for him

What does Trump have to do with this

You never-trumpers cannot help yourselves

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:46 PM

#7114

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 58,054

Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

Don't call me a trumpkin

If you think Egypt should open its border to Gazans, but the USA should not open its border to Guatemalans, you're a Trumpkin imo - even if you didn't vote for the jackass.

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:46 PM

#7115

caseIIclosed

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 1,183

Quote:

Originally Posted by John21

Hamas is a little preoccupied at the moment.

So are the people of Gaza. I don't expect them to start a revolution in the middle of an invasion.

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:47 PM

#7116

metsandfinsfan

banned

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 160,445

Quote:

Originally Posted by caseIIclosed

The failure of neighboring countries to help is depressing to watch. I'd talk more about it, but so many countries fail when it comes to this. It's also borderline genocide talk to say that it would be great if every civilian could leave and live a life of peace somewhere else. It just isn't viable.

They won't do it because they have used the Palestinians as pawns for 75 years and continue to and know the Jews will be blamed for the deaths and they don't want the uprisings in their countries

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:49 PM

#7117

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 58,054

Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

They won't do it because they have used the Palestinians as pawns for 75 years and continue to and know the Jews [no, Israel] will be blamed for the deaths and they don't want the uprisings in their countries

Being the ones dropping the bombs is a big part of the reason for that.

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:50 PM

#7118

caseIIclosed

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 1,183

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls

Can’t define it, will know it when you see it, etc.

This all sounds pretty nebulous, as I said.

I agree it's very nebulous. I cannot define it in a way that would work. I feel like any attempt to define defeat would not do it justice. If I, or someone smarter, had the time to work on that definition they could write thousands of words on the subject.

Defeat could be surrender. Defeat could be the death of enough members of hamas to the point where it does not exist. Defeat could be something else entirely.

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:51 PM

#7119

caseIIclosed

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 1,183

Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

If you think Egypt should open its border to Gazans, but the USA should not open its border to Guatemalans, you're a Trumpkin imo - even if you didn't vote for the jackass.

I think we should open our border to central/south american refugees.

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:53 PM

#7120

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 58,054

The thesis here is that borders should always be open based on race and ethnicity. Arabs should have open borders for Arabs. Jews should have open borders for Jews. Ukrainians? They are white, so come on in. Venezuelans? Shouldn't they stay in Mexico with their kind?

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:53 PM

#7121

Victor

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 77,422

Quote:

Originally Posted by caseIIclosed

I think we should open our border to central/south american refugees.

lol no you dont

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:54 PM

#7122

Bubble_Balls

veteran

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 3,032

Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

It felt like the whole world was going to try to eliminate us again.

This is some next level paranoia. Like, see a shrink over something like this.

You’ve got people losing their jobs over anything that even hints at a whiff of antisemitism and you’re worried that you’re going to be facing a holocaust in New Jersey because of people killed in a land dispute a million miles from you. Never mind that the most powerful western militaries have your back. Nevermind that they’re sitting idly by as thousands of innocent people of another ethnicity are being murdered so you can feel safe. Get a grip.

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:55 PM

#7123

microbet

Solar Powered

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 58,054

Quote:

Originally Posted by caseIIclosed

I think we should open our border to central/south american refugees.

I think I've seen you say something before and great. I know a lot of people just think whatever their news bubble is telling them to think, so I don't call people irredeemable or anything, but I think people who think the border should not be open are very wrong - morally, *******s really.

Quote

11-22-2023 , 04:58 PM

#7124

caseIIclosed

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 1,183

Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

I get that. It seems like such a reasonable position that if you're living in a spacious rich country that it would be your obligation to accept refugees. So the united states should be doing a lot more on that front. Racism and fear of the unknown are such powerful motivators.