Tel Aviv is under attack right now. Given that Hamas is still fighting back and Israel is suffering casualties (which are all over the Internet being celebrated), Hamas still has their women and children sex slaves in unknown condition (although Hamas states a lot of them have already died), and they promise to keep committing atrocities and fight Israel to the death; I feel the argument for an Israeli unilateral cease fire is less persuasive than it could be if Hamas wasn't doing all these things.

Even Bernie Sanders admits the fact no one is offering any viable plan to deal with Hamas other than what Israel is doing hurts the argument Israel should stop what they are doing.

We are about to witness a real time genocide. In 2 years the death numbers will be absurd. The world won't take in Palestinians and the racist Israeli Supremacists have shown their intentions.

Dunyain is correct that this stuff has happened forever throughout history. But this will be the first documented in real time via twitter.

Bernie is an establishment imperialist warmonger. He's a liberal through and through.

I wold love there be a viable plan to move forward. But no one is offering anything. It seems most of the cease fire/humanitarian assistance crowd don't even acknowledge Hamas is still there and being effectively belligerent. They kind of just want to ignore that whole aspect of it and unilaterally make demands of Israel.

the hate is calling from inside the house bro.

bc no one cares about Hamas except people trying to either do genocide or support it. its become crystal clear that their actions are negligible in comparison to the crimes against humanity that Israel is committing and has committed for the last 50 years.

There's a lot of daylight between unilateral ceasefire and 25000 tons of bombs, almost the equivalent of 2 Hiroshima bombs.

What is the workable plan in all that daylight? When no one can come up with anything feasible in the short, medium or long term; it makes it a lot easier for extreme actors to set the parameters themselves.

And no, given what has gone on the last 30 days, on top of the last 75 years; one state democracy is not a workable plan; it is completely DOA. So if you insist on this, it just shows you are not being serious.

You might as well tell all the actors to renounce their respective religions and become Buddhists. It would probably actually work well if it did happen, but it would never happen; so very moot.

For the civilians to leave the area just like the people in any small town of 200-300K in the US would do if their authorities declared martial law and told them to do so. That's a workable plan that will result in the fewest possible civilian casualties since there won't be any left in Gaza City to die.

It goes both ways. Israel might not fight with Egypt if Egypt was in a war with somebody.

For that matter, America never fought with Israel when they were involved in their wars back in the 60s.

Also, nobody in America supports Hamas ….. I agree there’s a lot of problem with far lefties in America with their anti-Americanism how they disgrace American history. But these are stoners and hippies for the most part and they pose no threat to Jews or Israel in general…. Many of them are Jewish.

There’s only about two countries in the Muslim world where they have the ultra conservative problem, Afghanistan and Pakistan and the rest have undergone very liberal reforms in the past few years. Many people don’t know these liberal reforms in Saudi Arabia. Quite remarkable. Still some work to be done though.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir

The top security advisor in Israel admires Barach Goldstein who was a mass murderer in the 1990s and killed a bunch of innocent Palestinians.

Its the same thing as a Muslim admiring Osama bin Ladan.

And again, countries can run them selves how they see fit, but they simply need to be honest to the world about who they are and whether they are conservative or liberal etc . Israel is not doing this. They claim to be this western democracy when they are anything but that.

Saudi Arabia is almost as liberal as Israel. But at least Saudi Arabia still labels itself as an Islamic monarchy. Israel is more liberal and open than many but not all Muslim majority countries.

Israel did attack a US warship and kill like 60 sailors. USS liberty. Look it up

this is anti-semitism

Israel is now bombing child cancer patients. I guess thats better than healthy children. Blinken's comments must have worked!

Israel would be instructed not to fight with Egypt as this would likely cause more problems than it would help. Same as Israel was instructed not to retaliate when Iraq fired missiles at them. And IMO a future America not being a potential ally or deterrent makes things more urgent for Israel to handle it now, not less.

And I feel the far left domestic problem in elite college campuses to be more dire than most liberals. For one, those people will have some political power in the future just as a function of their privelege, and I am not super optimistic they will moderate themselves before that happens.

For two, in the present they are a big political liability for the moderate center of the Democrat party. I know I am labelled a MAGA Republican by my detractors in this forum; but I actually am not and the last thing I want is for Trump to become president again. And it seems like the far left and the Islamofascist element of the D Party is making this more and more likely by the day. Maybe not Biden's biggest problem (that would be his advancing senility), but certainly not helping matters.

I am not sure this is accurate. There is a lot more to liberalism than how how a nation treats minority populations that support extremely belligerent guerrilla terrorist groups. And I suspect any of the Muslim nations would be more illiberal in similar circumstances; most of them have just aren't in that spot.

Regardless, when it comes to pretty much EVERY culture issue Israel is way to the left of every Muslim country, which to most people would qualify it as much more liberal.

The German and Japanese societies didn't flip from genocidal mania to being peaceful because someone took half measures.

I dont think we should advocate for such things against the Israeli people.

Israel is to the left of many Muslim majority countries, but not Albania, which is a secular communistic atheist type society to this very day and is Muslim majority

Albania was definitely not on my radar when I made that post, I'll give you that.

Japan never flipped, they still don't think they did anything wrong and there are major elements of their government that openly clamors to a return to prior glory

there's a reason why we continue to occupy them and forbid them from developing offensive capabilities

Or alternatively.

The international community needs to step in and tell the occupying power who are livestreaming themselves bombing the civilians they've had locked in a cage for decades; using white phosphorus on too many children to count, bombing ambulances, mosques, hospitals, UN and Red Cross aid workers... ya know, the usual from these psychopaths that get to live so far beyond international norms and law that it defies reason.