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11-03-2023 , 09:49 AM

#4451

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Crazy is how crazy kanye was regarded as the ultimate nutjob, worse than alex jones, worse than david icke, but now they are all (including 30 student groups of harvard) basically agreeing with him.
or what?

Almost complete nonsense but nothing new about that.

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11-03-2023 , 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by corpus vile

So then why are you against a Jewish state?

Also, by your own rationale, shouldn't you therefore be against a Palestinian state due to the crimes Hamas is doing right now? Seeing as you said this earlier:

I mean after all, the Gaza state has been a murderous Supremacist society since its inception. it need to go the way of Germany and be rebuilt without the persecution...right?

Or is that different because reasons?

I dont remember the germans being occupied and killed en masse and wiped out after starting 2 world wars.

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11-03-2023 , 09:50 AM

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I am against this Jewish state (ie Israel) given their actions the last 80 years and esp in the last 3 weeks.

and no I dont agree with that description of Gaza.

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11-03-2023 , 09:51 AM

#4454

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Originally Posted by corpus vile

The idea of a Jewish state really pisses you off doesn't it vic?

He's an unapologetic anti-semite. So, yeah, it does piss him off.

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11-03-2023 , 09:54 AM

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naw

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11-03-2023 , 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by corpus vile

Do you actually think Victor is motivated by antisemitism here? His behavior seems completely in line with his history of trivializing or omitting the sins of whatever group are in opposition to the US and its allies.

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11-03-2023 , 10:14 AM

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they have no argument so thats what the must resort to.

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11-03-2023 , 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls

I think the nexus of his singular obsession with Israel and the negative emotions towards Israel/Jews is the Arab/Muslim Islamist antisemitic propaganda campaign that has been going on for several years; that has radicalized most of the entire Muslim world against Jews, and is making encroachments into the Western world.

Whether he is conscious or aware of the nexus of his hate is less material than we would like it to be.

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11-03-2023 , 10:24 AM

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I am against this Jewish state (ie Israel) given their actions the last 80 years and esp in the last 3 weeks.

and no I dont agree with that description of Gaza.

But they weren't actions in the last three weeks they were reactions.

You said Jewish people could live without Israel, a Jewish state, with different governments of differing ideologies throughout its history. So evidently you're against a Jewish state as rather than opining that Israel should reform, you think it should cease to exist to be rebuilt... presumably according to your standards.

Why don't you agree with that description? Hamas forbid elections and have in their charter a desire to eradicate Israel which sounds quite supremacist. So why don't you agree?

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11-03-2023 , 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls

Yeah I do, as yet again he opined in an accusatory manor that I was a Zionist Jew, which he clearly meant as a slur. He continuously refers to the state of Israel as Nazis, a known anti Semitic trope and frequently makes comparisons to the Warsaw ghetto and Third Reich in general and does so almost gleefully too.

So yeah I do suspect this about him.

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11-03-2023 , 10:28 AM

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My point is it doesn’t seem singular to me. Any thread about US or Western powers is met with the same debate tactics.

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11-03-2023 , 10:29 AM

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I dont remember the germans being occupied and killed en masse and wiped out after starting 2 world wars.

Tf has that got to do with anything and whaddya mean "occupied"? Gaza has autonomy and Israel sent troops in due to a massacre instigated by Hamas, regardless of your Israel Bad schtick.

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11-03-2023 , 10:30 AM

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Alright, I agree the Zionist Jew comment was out of line. The Nazi stuff seems inline with his desire to push buttons and be an edgelord more than anything else.

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11-03-2023 , 10:34 AM

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In a piece of good news, the leader of Hezbollah just gave a speech and did not declare war on Israel. Sounds like they’re not interested in getting more involved than what’s required for their optics.

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11-03-2023 , 10:36 AM

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Alright, I agree the Zionist Jew comment was out of line. The Nazi stuff seems inline with his desire to push buttons and be an edgelord more than anything else.

I'll grant you the edgelord thing but if he knows (and he effin well knows alright) that such comparisons are known anti Semitic tropes, then why use them? Why push buttons when there's Jewish posters here? At best it's incredibly tasteless and insensitive. Combined with the Zionist Jew comment, I don't think it's that outlandish to at least suspect he harbours anti Semitic feelings.

Even more so when you consider his heroes' past history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antise...e_Soviet_Union

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11-03-2023 , 10:38 AM

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I dont remember the germans being occupied and killed en masse and wiped out after starting 2 world wars.

The USSR killed probably 2 million Germans after the war ended and occupied East Germany for 44 years. The US military never left.

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11-03-2023 , 10:38 AM

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I wonder how the Houthis declaration in Yemen will pan out. That is indeed good news re Hezbollah though.

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11-03-2023 , 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Victor

they have no argument so thats what the must resort to.

It's just the reality of who you are. There is no depth to your discussions other than a visceral hate for jewish people. You hate ukraine(jewish leader - his election really angers you for some reason) and you want Israel to cease to exist. You support Iran and minimize them when possible.

You try your best to hide it, but it's obvious.

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11-03-2023 , 10:46 AM

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accusatory manner lol

clearly meant as a slur lol

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11-03-2023 , 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by corpus vile

every criticism of Israel is considered anti-semitic by you.

anyway, many Jewish people including scholars and politicians have made these comparisons. thats what has shaped my thoughts.

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11-03-2023 , 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Victor

once again a Supremacist argues that Jewish life is more important than other lives.

nailed it

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11-03-2023 , 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubble_Balls

It was already known Putin told Iran not to widen the conflict. And Hezbollah is kept on a much tighter leash than Hamas.

At this point I suspect that although they may have known something was up; Russia/Iran/Qatar and even Hamas's exiled political leadership did not know the extent of what Hamas military wing had planned, and aren't really happy with how all this went down.

There is a real chance Gaza gets demilitarized because of this, and the Palestinians there are given a chance for peace, which works against the desires of all these entities.

Hezbollah already sent a letter to Hamas basically telling them they were on their own.

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11-03-2023 , 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by corpus vile

Yes the Holocaust murdered others but Jews were the primary targets
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Solution

There weren't propaganda films comparing other groups to rats or say a Romani version of Jud Süß
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jud_S%C3%BC%C3%9F

So your points aren't ultimately valid

i never said the jews weren't front and center just that acting like they were the only target is revisionism

bubble balls was spot on with his interpretation

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11-03-2023 , 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by corpus vile

I'll grant you the edgelord thing but if he knows (and he effin well knows alright) that such comparisons are known anti Semitic tropes, then why use them? Why push buttons when there's Jewish posters here? At best it's incredibly tasteless and insensitive. Combined with the Zionist Jew comment, I don't think it's that outlandish to at least suspect he harbours anti Semitic feelings.

Even more so when you consider his heroes' past history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antise...e_Soviet_Union

Good points. I think it’s the bolded more than actual hatred but it is at least indifference to causing harm either way, which is bad enough.

Imo, Victor communicates the way he does because he wants to be hated. People on the other side of an issue are not just wrong to him but actually evil. Given that, weathering their vitriol is noble and he’s perfectly happy to try to incite that response to get his fix.

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11-03-2023 , 11:09 AM

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i never said the jews weren't front and center just that acting like they were the only target is revisionism

bubble balls was spot on with his interpretation

Nobody stated they were the only target and your claim re prominence is again speculation.

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