And what happened to the leader of Irgun at the time they did committed that massacre? He later became Prime Minister of Israel.

And of course this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

This is all pretty common knowledge among Jewish people. If anyone portrays things simply as peaceful -> UN resolution -> Arabs attack they are probably intentionally not mentioning the fighting that preceded it and just hoping you don't know about it.

There are problems in Ukraine and with the Ukrainian government. But most of those problems have little to do with why Russia invaded Ukraine. That's why focus on those problems often reads as apologism for Putin.

what's the deal with the propaganda going around about how it's illegal to do an ancestry test in israel without court approval? is that like an antisemitic thing about how the spreaders want you to assume it's because it would reveal most people living there aren't from that area but there is actually a religious reason for the ban? or is it just another weird law that's really old or something?

that's simply put war aftermath
the British took the land from the Egypts and sided with israel.

Keeping the land in Egyptian control would have been better for the stability of that region.

They don't like a record of a genetic record that someone can use to exterminate an entire race

Microbet

War broke out as soon as the partition plan was announced so yes things happened in 47 before Israel declared independence in 48

They happened becausec the arab world did not want a jewish state

is that actually the reason? taking away the free will of an individual to do the test? ok. i dont want the private corporations having my dna either, fair enough i guess..

Oh, it "reads" that way. Line up the traitors then.

Irgun was formed in 1931. Come on. JFC. Conflict did not start with the UN Resolution. Be honest.

Irgun was also bombing British targets like the King David Hotel which housed central British Mandatory offices because the Jewish militant groups wanted war and the Deir Yassin massacre was them using terror to drive Arabs out.

Debating who did what to who and when is pretty useless. Unless someone invents a time machine none of that can be undone. Let's talk about what the desired future should look like.

For Israel their vision seems to be keeping their neighbors bottled up in a pseudo-prison and parrying attacks as needed over time.

In the Hamas charter they call for eliminating all the Jews.

Apart from one side eventually genociding the other, what are the potential future scenarios that would result in long-term peace?

The UK was a colonizing power. Different groups, including Arabs and Jews were fighting the British for years as well as each other to try to drive out the British and establish control over areas. The British eventually pulled out, which resulted in a wide spread war which involved neighboring powers.

Welcome to world history.

I guess they forced themselves to get raped and murdered.

just absolutely scary how brainwashed Israel Supremacists are.

I totally agree and looking at what happened before almost anyone involved was born is mostly only interesting background.

Mets just picking one point in history to say it's the Arab's fault to justify what the state of Israel is doing now? Well, I just want to say stuff that's true.

bolded is debooonked.

Israel isn’t at fault for bombing the refugees
So was Putin and Kim and Xi, the list goes on.
do you actually believe that if Hamas is in power it means Gaza is sovereign?

Thank you for posting this. I agree 100%

Agreed

At the present time, any Arab or Jewish/Israeli leader to threatens to move too far in the direction of peace will be assassinated. People in the real world should consider that before insisting either side must do something right now.

Hamas could return hostages/bodies. Israel could cut back on the destruction by about 90% and restore water and power. That's about the limit of what's possible for like the next year anyway.

Why shouldn't we and why should we believe a Hamas controlled outlet?

This isn't much of a response to the substantive point I was trying to make.

And I haven't been metaphorically lining anyone up.

I showed you examples of blatant anti Semitism and incitement against Jews by Al Jazeera and you accuse Mets of having blinders? Again are you taking the piss? You haven't even acknowledged their anti Semitism.

because they have every incentive and reason to lie. the official Israel social media accounts are awash in lies and propaganda. they are desperately trying to fight a PR war.

i'm the one saying we should take both the Israeli government and Hamas statements as if they are US police department press releases. they are going to shade the truth as much as they can get away with and you need to read between the lines.

you guys are the ones shamelessly saying one side is definitely telling the truth and the other is heinously lying. both sides are killing children indiscriminately, one side more than the other, so the only difference i can see in thinking one side is truthful while the other isnt is religious preference

I think it pretty clearly means that I think the "reads" like "apologia" is bs and it's exactly what I said, that anyone being critical of Ukraine in anyway is treated like a traitor and called a Putin stooge or something and that it reeks of "love it or leave it" "you're either with us or your against us" kind of fascist thinking. And the same thing in this thread with Israel and being called a supporter of Hamas.

How is "reads like apologia" as substantive point? It's like a license to handwave. It's saying "you mean whatever I imagine you mean".

So Hamas aren't using the Palestinian people as human shields? You're simply blindly anti authority and are evidently about one rung up from victor in terms of your politics.

I'm not sure, but I think by "dehumanizing" he meant that calling them "human shields" is dehumanizing them and maybe trying to make it easier to drop bombs on them, rather than denying that Hamas is hoping to avoid being hit by bombs by locating themselves and/or weapons near people.