+1, mods should nuke that guy.

There's a chance the attack was far more successful (for want of better words) than even Hamas had hoped. Maybe they were thinking a couple of their rockets might get through and in all the confusion and the swarm they might be able to snatch a dozen hostages or whatever. Instead they ended up with largely autonomous, untrained and unsupervised cells of what looked like a lot of fanatics holding a weapon for the first time out there winging it with little to no immediate resistance. Next thing they know they've got dozens and dozens of hostages and all the other horrors they left behind broadcast to the world. It's either that or things are going according to a much bigger plan than what's in the Palestinians' interest.

just to be clear, shutting off the power/water and starving Gaza is a war crime, anyone even considering that is a horrible person. and if the Israeli government actually does it, they should be held responsible for that war crime by the rest of the world, no matter what the provocation.

It will be pretty interesting when a new Axis of Evil emerges: comprising of Iran, its satellites (Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc.), Russia, NK and maybe China lurking in the shadows (so basically all totalitarian states with no civil liberties at all) and the other side is pretty much the entire free world.

And the progressive left will go hard in the paint to support the Axis. I actually have no doubt progressives in the US and England will choose the Axis either, even if it means siding with Russia. They are so willfully naive about how the world works and such slaves to regressive identity politics of oppression; this will outweigh their Russia misgivings. I could be wrong, but in continental Europe I think even most progressives will begrudgingly choose the free world. Just a little more worldliness, pragmatism and realism.

"It's either that or things are going according to a much bigger plan than what's in the Palestinians' interest."

Thats the next part i don't understand. I asked it originally,

I thought the IDF and its agencies was thee world power when it came to military intelligence, espionage, counter intelligence. Some of the top espionage/encryption companies are based out of Israel .

I thought that border was heavily controlled and surveillance anywhere near the border was top notch.

then there are also the troops stationed there, how did hamas get past it all ?

is there video of them crossing the border ?

to me so much of this does not add up

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Considering they haven't even yet buried the thousands of women and children who were brutally murdered, and bombs are still indiscriminately raining down on their cities as we speak, I doubt Israel is going to be too interested in lectures from progressive Americans how they should be conducting themselves.

And your last sentence is a complete joke. There isn't a single nation in the history of the world who would hold themselves to the standard you just set. Not a single Arab country. Not a single Western country. Not a single country in antiquity. None. 0.0%.

collective punishment is a war crime bro. i dont know what to tell you.. just because you dont think a country should follow the international laws doesn't mean they don't exist. also the number currently is "hundreds" not "thousands".

i love how it's progressives that are going to embrace the "axis of evil" in your fan fiction, but you're in here willing to excuse war crimes on 2.2 million people 50% children because of the actions of a few.

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I actually find it perversely ironic that Greenblatt is complaining about MSNBCs clear anti-Israel bias. Progressive American Jews are going to be in a very awkward spot when their supposed allies are all chanting "From the River to the Sea..." and assigning the moral high ground to people that cheer in the streets for wanton murder of women and children.

I dont know what to tell you bro. No group of people ever has or ever will operate by the standard, "no matter the provocation, you cant respond, and if you do you will be punished." Sorry, that is just reality. And you choosing Israel as the one nation in the history of the world (and possibly the US) you would hold this standard to, says more about your own biases than it does anything about Israel.

That being said, I have no doubt your ridiculous attitudes are widely shared on the progressive left. And the Arab right will have no qualms using the progressive left's delusions (which they see as nothing but weakness) to its strategic advantage.

I predict the so-called America progressive coalition is going to become a very interesting case study in group dynamics in the near future.

I agree but dont you see collateral damage as a trolley problem? Or do you see purposely killing as a near similar trolley problem?

The MSM is staying away because it doesn't fit the approved narrative, but if you peruse "right wing" media like DailyMail it is pretty wild all the reporting that when Hamas was going door to door executing whole families, so many people were texting friends and families terrified for their lives, until Hamas finally liquified them and the texting stopped.

But according to the progressive left this was all completely Israel's fault and Hamas deserves no blame or judgment, and there is probably many fine people on both sides, and this is no justification for any sort of retaliation.

And of course From the River to the Sea, God is Great, and all the rest.

What does International Humanitarian Law say about agents of elected govts going door to door executing civilian families. I assume there is some article prohibiting this. Given this, does the rest of the world have a moral imperative to remove Hamas as leaders of Gaza?

If much of the world is mostly indifferent (it is), does this say something about a lack of any real commitment to humanitarian law?

You should get this phrase tattooed.

Let’s talk about one side at a time

You mean, again?

Just finished watching this; thought it was a helpful backgrounder and provided some insights into what's behind the current situation and where it may go. It's not without biases, but in the current climate I thought it seemed decently balanced.

Comparing Israel to Nazis is a well known anti Semitic trope. Your colours are showing victor.
You truly are a contemptible human being.

The thing is, Israel have stated it's war and not without justification, to clarify. But there are rules to war. You can't blow up a dam or poison a well for example. I think cutting off water could fall under those rules. I'm aware also that you acknowledge this with your collective punishment comment. I'm further aware that the vast majority in Gaza who aren't Hamas are certainly Hamas supporters. But I don't think cutting off water looks good on Israel's part and they should show that despite the repugnant attacks by Hamas, they'll still retain their humanity here.

I'm sorry you've been subjected to threats. I've found your posts very interesting and thoughtful. You should report such threats to the authorities and not let it silence you. (Which is easy for me to say I fully acknowledge).
I do hope you return, cheers.

Not very much has truly added up in the world for nearly 25 years now. And each event becomes increasingly surreal and hard to swallow as reality. Notice how - all of a sudden - we haven't heard a word about the war in Ukraine and we're now wall to wall coverage with the War in Israel?

It really does all seem like there's a much larger picture that very few of us are allowed to see.

Is this backed up by polling? If they held elections tomorrow Hamas would win by a landslide if there was a legitimate opposition?
What does Hamas run on? 10 more years of blockade and economic ruin. Their greatest victory against Israel is a mass murder. I have a hard time believing the average citizen of Gaza values this stuff over a chance to a normal life but I could be wrong.

I still see articles about Ukraine on the homepage of major news organizations, so this is just a lie. And of course, some new major event is going to get a lot of press at the expense of an older, ongoing story that hasn't had much in the way of big daily events for some time. You don't have to fabricate such a complex world.

Why haven't they held elections? Since 2007?? You have 2.5 million people leaving in a 16 mile area run by Hamas. That's the same as Nationalist/Unionist areas in N Ireland. In those areas a tribalism exists and the same tribalism almost certainly exists in Gaza so I reckon that yes the vast majority living in Gaza are Hamas supporters. Such groups can't get by without support from the populace to a degree.
But to clarify this is just my opinion albeit a strong opinion based on what I've seen from the North.

Media goes where the latest big story is, it's really that simple.

The fact there are no elections I see as a dictatorship or something and not sure what the people would do about it if that was the case (I don't know that's the case) but I doubt I'd want to join the 1st open protest against Hamas demanding new elections. Doubt it would end well for you or your family.