They are evil but unfortunately we have to choose them or Iran, mostly because of the dark liquid

And with those 2 choices, it's an easy choice

I agree with you. I just question whether you realize or accept this separation and dehumanization is what is going on in the left in US Institutions with the "woke" DEI movement.

I do find it interesting that the same people who have been using "anti-white" rhetoric have now replaced "white" with "Jew" or "Zionist" and really just saying the same things, but now are finally getting pushback. It was a giant problem and antithetical to everything we believed in then, and should have had much bigger pushback from the jump.

This is all true but they don't allow Palestinian refugees in particular because of politics

So we shall go after the left?

We should work towards dismantling the DEI industry and purge its tribal, divisive, dehumanizing ethos from the institutions it has infected, including but not limited to academia, media, and govt. bureaucracy.

I don't think ur on topic.

Looks like Hamas is running out of rockets. Look for increasingly urgent calls from the UN, Arab world and Western left for a ceasefire to give them time to re-arm so we can do this all again in a couple years.

This is your topic.

Its not my topic...the persecution of Jews and the comparability of the generalization of the action to human nature. Ur talking about getting rid of left ideology.

I'm saying our tribal nature and tendency is to divide and ostracize. Ur response is a division and ostracization.

No. My response is to agree with you and say we need to get rid of pernicious ideologies that divide and ostracize, such as DEI. Getting rid of bad ideas so we can function better as a truly diverse society that can move beyond petty zero-sum thinking tribalism is the opposite of dividing and ostracizing.

I'd never heard the term "DEI" and had to look it up. The right is about 50000 times as obsessed with this stuff as the left.

The problem with the Nazis wasn't about Jews or anti-Semitism but had something to do with the international money system sounds very very sus.

Nobody wants them, do you?
Would you take them?

Which group is the problem group to get rid of (that is a group that is separate from my group)?

I think it is fair and accurate to say that all humans have a xenophobic "nature" that can be hijacked to cause dehumanization and lead towards extreme antisocial behavior.

But I do suspect Jbouton isn't interested in recognizing when this aspect emerges in ideologies/movements he is sympathetic to, which is the point I was making, that he has more or less confirmed.

I don't think I understand this question, but what the heck, get rid of Nazis.

Hamas is an expression of the Palestinian people, their fight against what they perceive as their enemy, who dislodged them from their own land. The fact most of them hate Israel, will keep hating Israel, plus following a jihad-loving religion, and I ask you this: do you really, realistically think killing Hamas, keeping the palestinians (or forcing them to leave, either to reenter or as a permanent ban) will ever solve the problem? Not even the "final solution" would solve the problem, considering what surrounds Israel. They are in the wrong region of the globe, surrounded by the wrong people, and choosing to refound their country over there was their biggest mistake.

If they're my neighbors and can help avoid thousands of them being killed, yes.
And I'm sure there is some racket to it where you get some UN money out of the deal.

I suspect if you gave the people a chance to start over and something to live for, and separated them from the hateful propaganda they have been spoon fed their wholes lives, the population would socialize fine. But I don't think this would happen in any Arab country, as none of the Arab countries want this.

They want the Palestinians right where they are doing exactly what they are doing.

I'd much rather spend the weekend in Tehran over Riyadh.

I can generally agree with you that it would have been better if Israel had never been formed. But nothing to do about that now.

IF there is ever going to be peace at some point the Arab countries just have to take a L, and recognize Israel's right to exist. They had 1400 years of W's, conquering most of the Middle East and North Africa, and they might just have to take an L and accept the Jews took this tiny sliver of land back and aren't going anywhere.

I am not optimistic of it happening though.

I think this is very likely to be very true and the sentiment can change really fast. There is also a far too high a likelyhood that they will be saying that 'no-one could have predicted that' if it escalates.

Kudos to all those trying to argue for all the victims and ordinary people caught up in this rather than either side.

In an alternate history, Iran definitely could have been one of the great nations of the world. It is actually one of the great tragedies of the 20th century radical Islamists took over the country and history unfolded the way it did. And if you want to blame American imperialism for contributing to this, then fair enough.

That's right unfortunately and that's the problem. Id say import them to Texas and see how it goes. Europe already has too many refugees at the moment. Of course that was a joke with Texas and will never happen.

Of course I would too. importing all of them now brings along big problems. Exactly the opposite of a wanted group atm. Money won't have a big enough effect imo. But then we took iraqi, syrian, Lebanese, Afghan refugees etc. out of similar reasons. that only leaves certain people in their home country. Not sure if that is the solution...