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10-17-2024 , 02:15 PM

#36251

Bill Haywood

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I'm old enough to remember when people in this thread said there'd be no ethnic cleansing in Gaza or settlement by Israelis.

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‘It is doable’: 10 Likud MKs to attend conference calling for ‘resettling Gaza’

https://www.timesofisrael.com/it-is-...settling-gaza/

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10-17-2024 , 02:18 PM

#36252

rafiki

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Originally Posted by DoyleBrunsonFan

I’d imagine much of the IDF’s prior military operations set the conditions for Sinwar to be above ground and vulnerable to a random patrol. Israel has now taken out Hamas’ and Hezbollah’s entire leadership, both in under a years time. I’m no expert, but I get the impression that they know what they are doing. Probably a big reason why the US is so keen to uphold military relations with Israel.

I think everybody disregards what can be done when it's your home you're defending. And not some place thousands of miles away. So the comps to places like Iraq and Afghanistan were never apt.

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10-17-2024 , 02:20 PM

#36253

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Originally Posted by BOIDS

looks like his most recent piece is about how it was actually israel who killed all the civilians on 7 oct. i mean if thats what he's willing to put out there with his name on it i wouldn't be surprised if his ipad is full of very naughty stuff indeed

He did not say what you are claiming

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10-17-2024 , 02:21 PM

#36254

BOIDS

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did

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10-17-2024 , 02:29 PM

#36255

DoyleBrunsonFan

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Originally Posted by Victor

He did not say what you are claiming

I just checked and BOIDS is right, unsurprisingly.

It’s very easy to find by googling the guy’s name.

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10-17-2024 , 02:36 PM

#36256

Victor

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Originally Posted by DoyleBrunsonFan

I just checked and BOIDS is right, unsurprisingly.

It’s very easy to find by googling the guy’s name.

it shouldnt even need to be said that "hundreds" does not equal "all"

Last edited by Victor; 10-17-2024 at 02:46 PM.

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10-17-2024 , 02:43 PM

#36257

DoyleBrunsonFan

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Originally Posted by Victor

is there anything that you guys wont lie about?

it shouldnt even need to be said that "hundreds" does not equal "all"

Oh dang looks like I was a bit wrong, but still completely right that the guy is spewing dangerous misinformation. Good on the UK.

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10-17-2024 , 02:45 PM

#36258

rafiki

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I gotta say, the liquidation of Sinwar did not suck.

If there's a green light on people being liquidated itt.

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10-17-2024 , 02:46 PM

#36259

Victor

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Originally Posted by DoyleBrunsonFan

Oh dang looks like I was a bit wrong, but still completely right that the guy is spewing dangerous misinformation. Good on the UK.

dangerous yes. misnformation? doesnt seem to be. you can read the article and judge for yourself. seems pretty meticulous and factual to me.

https://electronicintifada.net/conte...-october/49216

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10-17-2024 , 03:08 PM

#36260

DoyleBrunsonFan

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Originally Posted by Victor

dangerous yes. misnformation? doesnt seem to be. you can read the article and judge for yourself. seems pretty meticulous and factual to me.

https://electronicintifada.net/conte...-october/49216

I read through some of it. the author seems to take some liberties presenting the facts. If you have issues with how some of the MSM has been covering the conflict, then I’d have to assume you consider this much more offensive.

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10-17-2024 , 03:15 PM

#36261

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I haven't looked into the events he wrote about in any detail but he's probably more right than wrong.

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10-17-2024 , 03:53 PM

#36262

Peace&Love

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Not more or less factual than anything any government says. Or mainstream media. Seems well written though.

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10-17-2024 , 04:46 PM

#36263

microbet

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Iran tried deradicalizing and then the US/UK overthrew their government.

Not what they tried that got them couped. They tried nationalizing their oil.

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10-17-2024 , 04:49 PM

#36264

Victor

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thats the most radical thing a group can do

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10-17-2024 , 04:52 PM

#36265

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writing about how israel killed loads of jews on oct 7 is obviously just an exercise in drawing culpability away from the actual murdering rapists, being the terrorist organisation of hamas (currently recruiting for multiple senior leadership positions)

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10-17-2024 , 06:07 PM

#36266

Crossnerd

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Please stop attacking one another, reposting things I’ve previously deleted, and otherwise inflaming the discussion with low-content remarks.

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10-17-2024 , 06:10 PM

#36267

Crossnerd

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Other mod note- I am allowing posters to express their individual sentiments regarding the death of Sinwar, within reason, due to him being both a public and political figure directly related to the inception and outcome of the current crisis.

Please do not use this as an opportunity to troll posters on the “other side”. That will still be moderated.

Thank you

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10-17-2024 , 06:13 PM

#36268

Victor

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Originally Posted by BOIDS

Why can't I address this?

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10-17-2024 , 06:15 PM

#36269

rafiki

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That video of Sinwar dying is intense. I'm trying to imagine that tech around in WW2.

This new world is really mind bending.

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10-17-2024 , 06:17 PM

#36270

Victor

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Understanding and discussing what actually happened on one of the most consequential days in modern history is verboten apparently. Instead, we can never challenge the narrative put out by the leaders of the West. The bias is clear as ever.

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10-17-2024 , 06:17 PM

#36271

Crossnerd

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Originally Posted by Victor

Why can't I address this?

You can, but not by using personal attacks and sarcasm that imply another poster is a liar who doesn’t care about the truth.

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10-17-2024 , 06:26 PM

#36272

Victor

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That's a bullshit bad faith interpretation of my post.

I don't think Asa is writing investigative pieces to draw culpability away from Hamas. He is writing to try to present the truth about one of the most sensationalized and propagandized events of the era.

You should have just deleted his post as well and it would have been whatever.

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10-17-2024 , 06:28 PM

#36273

Victor

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One thing I noticed is that references to the well documented torture and rape of thousands of Palestinians is often deleted. But trolling posts from BOIDs about the debunked mass rape hoax are always left up.

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10-17-2024 , 06:29 PM

#36274

checkraisdraw

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Just for the record, the UN found credible evidence that sexual violence did happen, up to and including gang rape. Given the current disposition of the UN towards the conflict I doubt they’d be making stuff up to lie for Israel.

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There are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence — including rape and gang-rape — occurred across multiple locations of Israel and the Gaza periphery during the attacks on 7 October 2023, a senior United Nations official reported to the Security Council today, as she presented findings from her visit to Israel and the occupied West Bank.

Following allegations of brutal sexual violence committed during and in the aftermath of the Hamas-led terror attacks, Pramila Patten, the Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict, led an official visit to Israel from 29 January to 14 February to gather, analyse and verify reports of sexual violence related to the 7 October attack. Due to ongoing hostilities, the Special Representative did not request to visit Gaza, where other UN entities that monitor sexual violence are operational.

“What I witnessed in Israel were scenes of unspeakable violence perpetrated with shocking brutality,” Ms. Patten recalled. Detailing her methodology, she said that her team met with families of hostages and members of communities displaced from several kibbutzim. It conducted confidential interviews with 34 individuals, including survivors and witnesses of the 7 October attacks, released hostages, first responders and health and service providers. It visited four attack sites — as well as the morgue to which the bodies of victims were transferred — and reviewed over 5,000 photographic images and some 50 hours of footage of the attacks.

“It was a catalogue of the most extreme and inhumane forms of killing, torture and other horrors,” including sexual violence, she stated. The team also found convincing information that sexual violence was committed against hostages, and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may still be ongoing against those in captivity.

https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm

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10-17-2024 , 06:32 PM

#36275

Victor

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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw

That was the Patten report and we have discussed it in depth. The superseding report with greater investigative powers explicitly did not corroborate rape.

I've linked to it many times. I don't have time to dig them up now.

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