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this post is racist. It is targeting Palestinians. How do I discuss this with the thread without getting a timeout?

Its racist for the brown people to be terrorists but the white people killing more people in worse ways are not held to the same standard.

for the ignorant

Its racist for the indigenous people to be terrorists but the colonizers killing more people in worse ways are not held to the same standard

Palestinians aren't "brown people", they're diverse, ethnically.
Lots of groups consisting of "white people" have been labelled as terrorists- IRA ETA Red Brigade OAS, FARC etc so it isn't racist, not in general or within the context of this thread discussion.

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05-13-2024 , 02:00 PM

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Race is a social construct

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If you hold brown people to a higher standard than you hold white people, everything else equal, that’s racism.

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05-13-2024 , 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by corpus vile

I think he was talking generically about how Muslim people on average are browner than white people, and how their religious identity is used as a proxy for racism.

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05-13-2024 , 02:02 PM

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Age isn't real either.

Nothing is real.
And nothing to get hung about.
Strawberry fields forever.

Age is real but time is an illusion.

Cf: twin paradox

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Sex is a social construct ... it can also be anti social.

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Age is real but time is an illusion.

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05-13-2024 , 02:08 PM

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In Islam women dont fight in wars.
Often arent even allowed to leave the house. So gender is very much real in Gaza.

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05-13-2024 , 02:10 PM

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In Islam women dont fight.
Offen arent even allowed to leave the house. So gender is very much real in Gaza.

I thought we had some lady Hamas pics posted here once

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05-13-2024 , 02:10 PM

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If you hold brown people to a higher standard than you hold white people, everything else equal, that’s racism.

In my humble opinion, in this conflict, it's the Israelis being held to the higher standard.

It's why (largely) nobody cared for Syria, Yemen, etc. It's why all the other countries can be self-determined by Muslims. Only the tiny nation self-determined by Jews is a problem.

It's only in Israel where these issues, middle-east speaking, spark global outrage. I think in a world that was a little more balanced, Israel would't be exempt. We'd just care about the much bigger tragedies occurring all over the world at the same time. Proportionately.

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I thought we had some lady Hamas pics posted here once

We did? That must be an exception.

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05-13-2024 , 02:15 PM

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We did? That must be an exception.

There are plenty of women in Hamas. Their place in the organization has been steadily increasing. And the political wing as well as the military. Obviously far fewer women than men. But perhaps more than you'd expect.

Now that said, obviously you'll get no disagreement from me on the general place of women in Islam. But it's not much better in orthodox Judaism (which has always creeped me out). I'm generally very fond of where women have landed in Israeli society broadly though.

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05-13-2024 , 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi

I think he was talking generically about how Muslim people on average are browner than white people, and how their religious identity is used as a proxy for racism.

Muslims aren't "brown people" either they consist of all races. Albania is predominantly Muslim.

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05-13-2024 , 02:26 PM

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Yes you can name a small number of countries whose people are predominantly Muslim and not darker-skinned than the average Anglo-Saxon, well done.

Many Africans are lighter-skinned than the average Sevillian. Are we not calling the Sevillian white?

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05-13-2024 , 02:27 PM

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Race is a social construct

Not altogether. The term relies on actual observable extended-family resemblances and characteristics, but the way in which these are totemised (as if they implied wholly discrete groups, when in fact they can merge at any point) is a social construct.

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Yes you can name a small number of countries whose people are predominantly Muslim and not darker-skinned than the average Anglo-Saxon, well done.

Some Africans are lighter-skinned than the average Sevillian. Are we not calling the Sevillian white?

Not sure what sevillian means but when Iran has the same skin color as Italy you either we Italian aren't white, or you stop this nonsense

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05-13-2024 , 02:29 PM

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Truly black Africans are more often Christians than Muslim btw

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05-13-2024 , 02:30 PM

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Not sure what sevillian means but when Iran has the same skin color as Italy you either we Italian aren't white, or you stop this nonsense

How about you stop calling things nonsense when you admit in the same sentence you don't understand what was said?

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We did? That must be an exception.

How do you consider a woman who helps terrorists healing their wounds, helping them hide, moving information around, helping with logistics, preparing food for terrorists? Because a ton of women do that in Gaza

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05-13-2024 , 02:30 PM

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Describing Palestinians as "brown people" is extremely cringe. I don't see a ton of adults doing that.

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05-13-2024 , 02:32 PM

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who told you this? I dont believe none of that.
you dont know muslims it seems like.

israel is a terrible liar. they told gazans go to camp x, there will be water and food and infrastrucure, and then there was nothing.
terrible liars.

and then they leave people to die with no medical support and food not even water.
not to mention that they bomb babies on top of that.

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05-13-2024 , 02:32 PM

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There's lots of white Muslims and Asian Muslims. There's no racism at play here.

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05-13-2024 , 02:35 PM

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There's lots of white Muslims .

Proportionally, no there aren't.

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05-13-2024 , 02:42 PM

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Proportionally, no there aren't.

So? Point being neither Muslims or Palestinians are "brown people" and plenty of groups that were deemed terrorist consisted solely of "white people" regardless of PW's ramblings or your apparent attempted justifications of said ramblings
So nah, it's not racist to call Hamas terrorists.

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