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But in a Kibbutz some 65 year old who served in the IDF 45 years ago is military, right? Even if he was a cook.

Let's not forget that less than 20% of IDF enlistees are combat rolls. You've got nurses, cooks, engineers, electricians etc.... Oh man gotta kill all those ex-Spartans. Right PW? Someone who installed lights in 1974 for the IDF is definitely a military target today in the village where he picks avocados.

Or like....we can stop this ridiculous conversation.

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05-22-2024 , 03:59 PM

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I mean if you helped lift a finger to kill my brother, what do you think is going to happen to you?

They aren’t ex Spartans if they are helping out Sparta my friend.

What happens the moment they pick up a gun?

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05-22-2024 , 04:07 PM

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I don't know what it takes to remove a person's head by hand in front of his family. But it takes SOMETHING.

What's it take to follow a "routine" of chopping the hands off detainees?

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05-22-2024 , 04:14 PM

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"just following orders"

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05-22-2024 , 04:24 PM

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By Bibi's twisted logic, everyone on a kibbutz is a human shield (and therefore fair game to kill).

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05-22-2024 , 05:19 PM

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Geneva convention says Israel is only allowed to respond proportionately.

What does the Geneva Convention say about taking hostages? Particularly non-combatants who were at a dance party.

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05-22-2024 , 05:22 PM

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Im not sure this is true or that many people will agree. The line was crossed when they stole the land in the first place and economic targets are just as legitimate as military targets in a situation like this.

So, do you believe any native American tribe should have carte blanche to bomb any office building in the US?

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05-22-2024 , 06:02 PM

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I dunno about that. To me civilian means non military.

A civilian stops being a civilian when they conspire with terrorists to rape and murder a bunch of people they consider their enemy.

Where am I disconnected?

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05-22-2024 , 06:13 PM

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What does the Geneva Convention say about taking hostages? Particularly non-combatants who were at a dance party.

Do I look like your ****ing tutor?

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A civilian stops being a civilian when they conspire with terrorists to rape and murder a bunch of people they consider their enemy.

Where am I disconnected?

Terrorists are civilians so you might wanna start there

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05-22-2024 , 06:18 PM

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Do I look like your ****ing tutor?

No, you look like someone with double standards.

I already looked it up and read that all hostage taking is considered a war crime by the conventions. So forget those arguments that Hamas (the government of Gaza) did not commit any war crimes. They committed a war crime, so they get war crimes in return. Where are the arrest warrants for all the Hamas leadership?

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05-22-2024 , 06:29 PM

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I never said they didn’t commit war crimes lmao. I said I don’t know.

And of course Israel has 20-50x as many hostages. So that means Israel has done 20-50c as many war crimes, is that correct?

Umm war crimes don’t mean you get to do war crimes but I’m glad you’re able to freely admit that’s what’s going on.

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05-22-2024 , 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

Do I look like your ****ing tutor?

Terrorists are civilians so you might wanna start there

So how would you distinguish a fair game enemy combatant from an off-limits civilian?

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05-22-2024 , 06:44 PM

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Where are the arrest warrants for all the Hamas leadership?

right next to the ones for the israeli leadership...

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05-22-2024 , 06:58 PM

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Where are the arrest warrants for all the Hamas leadership?

The ICC issued one the other day. It doesn't matter, of course, because you're making yet another classic Whatabout deflection.

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05-22-2024 , 07:19 PM

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The ICC issued one the other day. It doesn't matter, of course, because you're making yet another classic Whatabout deflection.

Narrator: they did not

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05-22-2024 , 07:27 PM

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So how would you distinguish a fair game enemy combatant from an off-limits civilian?

is he holding a weapon or attacking you? waste him

if not, cant attack. Thats basic Geneva convention rules of engagement

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05-22-2024 , 07:37 PM

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Narrator: they did not

Does Sinwar not count? I maybe don't get the question.

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The International Criminal Court is seeking arrest warrants for Hamas leader in Gaza Yahya Sinwar and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity over the October 7 attacks on Israel and the subsequent war in Gaza, the court’s prosecutor Karim Khan told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour in an exclusive interview on Monday.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/20/middl...ntl/index.html

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05-22-2024 , 07:47 PM

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ethnic cleansing at minimum, but considering the carpet-bombing of a kettled civilian population, probably genocide yeah. many experts have said so

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05-22-2024 , 07:50 PM

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they are seeking arrest warrants, they havent been granted yet

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05-22-2024 , 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PointlessWords

is he holding a weapon or attacking you? waste him

if not, cant attack. Thats basic Geneva convention rules of engagement

That contradicts what you’ve said in the past about the victims of Oct 7.

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05-22-2024 , 08:26 PM

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I fully admit that what the Geneva convention considers to be war crimes have almost certainly been committed, by both sides, in every war that has ever occurred. That's why the whole thing is laughable and it's ridiculous to even use the phrase "war crime".

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05-22-2024 , 08:28 PM

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right next to the ones for the israeli leadership...

Alright, let's see the Hamas leadership arrested, and then I'll support the same thing for the Israeli leadership.

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05-22-2024 , 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Does Sinwar not count? I maybe don't get the question.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/20/middl...ntl/index.html

You said they issued warrants. They did not.

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05-22-2024 , 08:30 PM

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The ICC issued one the other day. It doesn't matter, of course, because you're making yet another classic Whatabout deflection.

I didn't hear about any being issued right after 10/7. But the ICC is a ridiculous organization, as the whatabouts could be fairly applied to every war in history.

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05-22-2024 , 08:35 PM

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ethnic cleansing at minimum, but considering the carpet-bombing of a kettled civilian population, probably genocide yeah. many experts have said so

Do you think the Palestinians are not attempting to commit genocide on Israelis? And likely every Jew?

Israel could kill every Palestinian if they wanted to, but they don't do it.

Palestine would love to kill every Israeli, but they can't do it.

These are the undeniable truths of the situation. If you disagree with any of the premises, I would love to read your explanation.

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