Because Israel is the nation leveling cities in Palestine right now.

Pro Israel groups are pushing more inside parties than switching parties.

Which is ok: when a seat is safe, getting a pro Israel person is fundamental, they don't play the party game, they play the Israel game



You go against Israel at your own risk

Israel was attacked by the government of gaza

This is probably the first time you even considered blaming egypt in this thread

Strange

Because Egypt doesn't stop anyone from leaving by airplane or boat. Gaza borders the sea and, of course, they border the air, and it's Israel that controls those even though they are supposedly not part of Israel.

Does the US blockade Mexico? I don't approve of borders, but still, no, controlling who comes into your country does not equal blockading another country.

I mean, this much is so obvious that how can this debate happen without name calling? It's just stupid and it just prolongs bullshit making the discussion even less on point.

I blame Egypt.

This is not what mets means, but basically any country that doesn't allow refugees deserves blame. But only one country blockades Gaza and that's Israel.

And then Israel evicted a million people from their homes. Why Egypt should be obligated to pay for any of this is not clear. It's like America bombing the **** out of Tijuana and demanding that Gutemala take in the refugees.

Also, Egypt doesn't want to get bombed by Israel next, which will obviously happen.

Are we still blockading Cuba? Been going on so damn long I stopped paying attention.

That's a lie

Egypt blockades gaza. That freely admit this

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right now Egypt should be looked at as no more than an extension of the USA and thus Israel. they are a comprador regime.

the Hasbara talking point is meant to play on assumptions that Muslims oppose Israel. they dont.

So the story is Israel doesn't want anyone to leave, but israel wants everyone to leave to steal the land

Israel wants to gazans gone so they can steal the land by they would bomb egypt for letting them leave so they can settle the land

That's your argument right?

I need to digest that for at least 72 hours before i can even try to respond

Show your work Victor. And again in Israel. I'm not talking about Gaza/WB.

I just triple checked

Up until this post you have never at all blamed egypt for anything in this thread

You're suggesting Egypt controls air and sea access to Gaza? Cite.

it doesnt work that way. but regardless, are Arab Israelis allowed to visit their family in the WB or Gaza?

Hey google

Does Egypt stop Gazans from leaving by sea?

Anyhow..

Both Israel and Egypt feel obligated to blockade because of the terrorist government ruling Gaza

You're both dumb and dishonest. Rafah is the crossing into Egypt and you know this. Gaza City has/had a port. Gaza has/had an airport. Israel controls these things. Gazan's were allowed to go out in boats and fish, but only go out 6 miles because Israeli naval vessels stopped them. Egypt didn't do any of this. Either you're too ****ing stupid or too ****ing dishonest to participate in any kind of intelligent discussion.

If someone ACTUALLY wants to do a deep dive into life as an Arab in Israel, this collection of blog posts is excellent. You'll find many Arab authors and it's not flattering either

https://en.idi.org.il/tags-en/1905

So really deep dive stuff like

https://en.idi.org.il/articles/36215

And you'll see REAL problems in there. This one above covers that Israeli schools still aren't hiring enough Arab teachers (and why), and the steps underway to fix that

https://en.idi.org.il/articles/30961

That's on the Arab Israeli vote

https://en.idi.org.il/articles/26898

Arab Israeli women in the workforce



There are real issues. Still too big a disparity in income and poverty for example. But we've seen this actually start to trend far better of late. And one of the interesting stats on this poverty disparity for example is that it's not just Arabs. It's also the Haredim, the Jewish Orthodox. They are far more poor. So poor Jews too, if anyone is trying to keep score.

https://www.taubcenter.org.il/en/res...ity-in-israel/. (figures are old but the trend holds today too)



Arabs die younger too. But these trends are VERY similar to what we see in African American communities in other countries for example. I actually think it's nearly identical. Blacks die 6 years sooner in the USA on average I believe? Last I checked the number was similar in Israel for Arabs (5-6). But in the USA we stop well short of calling that Apartheid. But as humans we have to close those gaps, that's a long term imperative to any good country imho.

Things can be way way better. And they have to be. You'll get no argument from me.

Sigh.

So now I'm going to have to ask you to take a timeout from this thread for the rest of the evening. You can come back at 12:00AM EST. Please don't disregard this because then I have to do more to you and I don't want to. Thanks, friend.

To everyone else. engaging with the above post is a bad idea, so please don't.

Sorry this is so much work Crossnerds. I thought the rules seemed relatively easy tbh.