This is all horrific and worthy of retaliation. Collective punishment is still inappropriate.

We can believe women's accounts of being raped and still condemn the indiscriminate killing of tens of thousands of women and children.

Picking a side is playing right into Bibi and Hamas' hands.

Bibi wants impunity and Hamas wants recruitment.

Condemn them all like a real moral agent.

tragedy but that seems not harsh enough

Words have meanings. And I think it is a mistake to be sloppy any misuse words like this. Maybe things are less discriminate than you would want, but clearly it isn't indiscriminate. Israel drops leaflets and send text mails for days before heavy bombing of an area. Hundreds of thousands of civilians have been allowed to evacuate Rafah during the current offensive. Everything goes through a chain of command to evaluate whether unacceptable civilians casualties could occur.

We of course will never know, but I suspect Hamas reported number of civilians killed is way over inflated, and includes thousands of civilians killed by Hamas themselves, either intentionally when they are using violence to keep everyone in line, or as collateral damage when they are attacking Israel troops.

when have they had unacceptable civilian losses in their missions? or are they self admittedly batting 1000

if you attack someone and they attack you back and kill your people, they are the killers still. It might be your fault it happened but they still did it. Words have meanings. And I think it is a mistake to be sloppy any misuse words like this

What did these two do that makes being killed in this manner "not harsh enough"?


"In another, a man writhes on the ground, bleeding from his stomach, as a terrorist tries repeatedly to decapitate him with farming equipment. The man appears to be southeast Asian, possibly one of Israel’s foreign agricultural workers.

In another clip, from after the assault, an Israeli woman is seen trying to work out if a partially burned woman’s corpse, with a mutilated head, is that of a family member. The dead woman’s dress is pulled up to her waist and her underpants have been removed."

Egypt blocking aid. Basically using Palestinian lives as pawns to punish Israel for destroying the smuggling tunnels. Yawns from the progressive left and Muslim world.

Just a reminder most of the outrage over the condition of Palestinian civilians are bad faith, and politics and ideology are guiding the concern for most protestors/activists much more than any humanitarian first principle.

Pretty sure PW meant that "tragedy" was a possible synonym but the word itself was not harsh enough.

Got it, thanks for translating. I hope you're right.

Possibly not harsh enough.

These are atrocities. But if they were carried out against members of the armed forces they would simply be called acts of war.

No surprise there. Gaza is supposed to be part of Egypt. After making peace with them, Israel tried to give it back to them, but they wouldn't take it. Egypt bears full responsibility for the current status of Gaza.

I can't imagine any war has ever been conducted while deliberately giving civilians a chance to get out than this one. The reason they have nowhere to go is 100% on Egypt. Who else announces where and when they will attack? Pretty bad strategy IMO, no idea why they do it. This thing probably would have been over by now if they hadn't.