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Yesterday , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I dont agree wiht your spin on it but your vision of israel as an isolated pariah state sounds both hideous and dangerous for israel.
Which part of the post do you disagree with?

You dont agree Hamas is breaking international laws? Or you dont think Islamists throughout the MENA are vowing Israel's destruction? Or you dont think Palestine (under Hamas) is being recognized as a state by much of the international community?

Also, I feel you could make a compelling argument the Palestinians current actions on and since 10/7 seem to be leading towards a hideous and dangerous outcome. And yet there is zero pressure from the international community to course correct. If anything, the worse they behave, the more they are given material and moral support. Why is this?

Last edited by Dunyain; Yesterday at 11:20 PM.
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Yesterday , 11:17 PM
Hamas is monstrously awful. That's not in dispute with me and it's a proscribed terrorist organisation in the uk.

Israels response under netanyahu is monstrous, stupid and most likely illegal in many respects. Blame us all for being bad faith actors all you like but I dont agree.
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Yesterday , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
your vision of israel as an isolated pariah state sounds both hideous and dangerous for israel.
hell yeah lfg


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Originally Posted by Dunyain
In fairness, Hamas (or someone just as bad) is probably embedded in all the refugee camps.
the boogity man!??
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Yesterday , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 72off
hell yeah lfg
Either you haven't thought this through very well, or you really do want a genocide of the Palestinian (and Israeli) people. If you think a weakened Israel being surrounded and attacked by its neighbors ends well for the Palestinians, you are very mistaken.

Of course many Islamists/Western leftists prioritize the Palestinian political project over the lives of the people; and if you made them take truth serum and told them the cost of retaking Israel from the river to the sea was the lives of most of the Palestinian people they would probably say that was acceptable. So if that is where you are coming from, then fair enough.
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Today , 12:02 AM
The real Hamas were the friends we made along the way.
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Today , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
The reality is that they are digging themselves into a deeper and deeper hole.
Meh, can't get much worse for them. They might as well try and finish the job and destroy as many smuggling tunnels as they can but maybe chill on bombing tent cities or aid caravans because they think they saw someone carrying a gun.
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Today , 01:02 AM
The whole "Now people are gonna really hate Israel " thing is getting old. They are going to hate Israel no matter what. They don't like the idea of a Jewish run country. We have plenty of Muslim run countries and Christian run countries but God forbid there is a Jewish run country.
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Today , 01:04 AM
Maybe Hamas shouldn't be storing explosives where the people are. Maybe they shouldn't be driving near civilian tents with explosives in their vehicle. Tragic accidents are bound to happen in these situations.
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Today , 01:05 AM
Israel doesn't control that. They do control who they kill though.
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Today , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Hamas is monstrously awful. That's not in dispute with me and it's a proscribed terrorist organisation in the uk.

Israels response under netanyahu is monstrous, stupid and most likely illegal in many respects. Blame us all for being bad faith actors all you like but I dont agree.
Should Israel just keep things status quo? Maybe just go into Gaza and do a couple cute little military operations. When is enough enough?
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Today , 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
Israel doesn't control that. They do control who they kill though.
They got their guy's. Hamas made sure they took a few innocents with them.
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Today , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 57 On Red
The Israeli air strike on a tented refugee camp, an area they actually told Gazans to go to, has not worked out well. Intended to kill two supposed Hamas fighters, it actually and not surprisingly killed 45 people.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0kkqkngnedo

EU leaders from France, Spain, Italy and Germany are all pretty fed up and would like Israel to obey the ICJ ruling and stop this kind of thing.

https://www.politico.eu/article/refu...-civilians-eu/
The EU leaders should be fed up with Hamas.
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Today , 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
There's a lot that can happen between "doing nothing" and an airstrike which will kill a lot of civilians.
War is messy!
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Today , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 5 south
Meh, can't get much worse for them. They might as well try and finish the job and destroy as many smuggling tunnels as they can but maybe chill on bombing tent cities or aid caravans because they think they saw someone carrying a gun.
I am in blood, stepped so far

and it can get so much worse. Without a political solution it most likely will.
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Today , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I'm not hearing international condemnation of the rockets being fired into Israel from Gaza and Lebanon. What about all the displaced people in north Israel? What about all of the lost business because employees had to go fight in a war they didn't start?
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Today , 01:22 AM
what about that whataboutery!??


write your congressman, or local newspaper. maybe they'll get to the bottom of it
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Today , 01:25 AM
Perhaps there would be more condemnation of those rockets if Israel was not currently doing far worse things resulting in far worse casualties.
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Today , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
Perhaps there would be more condemnation of those rockets if Israel was not currently doing far worse things resulting in far worse casualties.
This is the problem. If people would just direct their anger toward the real bad guy's, Hamas, this war would be over. Hamas loves that it's useful idiots are spreading their propaganda like it's the gospel. Every time someone condemns Israel, Hamas wins. Why is it so hard to differentiate between good and evil?

The idea that Israel is doing worse things is false. They have made mistakes but it's silly to say they are doing worse things. They are going after the bad guy's where they are. It's gonna be ugly. Israel should not have live with these homicidal rapists living next to them. Stop the attacks. Stop firing rockets. Stop the intifadas. Stop the Jihads. Stop glorifying Martyr's. If you act like a civilized people you will be treated like a civilized people. The Palestinians should want Hamas removed. Only then will they be able to rebuild their reputation.
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Today , 01:55 AM
You can say it should be that way all you want, but it isn't that way.

Many people disagree that Palestinian civilians are the bad guys and that killing them is good. Those people also don't seem to believe that killing any amount of these people is worth killing any amount of Hamas.
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