You see no issue with painting wanting kids to have a home and food to eat as "enabling" them?

The word 'enable" imputes a lot of negative aspects onto being poor. It blames the poor for being poor and implies that the poor are engaging in destructive behavior.

Blaming the poor for being poor is just the absolute worst attitude to have, imo, and that is probably the #1 excuse rightys fall back upon when asked why they don't want to help others. The bootstraps myth is just super harmful when you are talking about trying to improve society as a whole.

Yeah, I think IHIV experiencing some cognitive dissonance, whereby socialism is a terrible blight on society, except of course for the very specific and narrowly crafted forms of socialism that would have helped him when he needed it.

Not too dissimilar to lagtight's argument that moderators should appear to be impartial, apart from when those moderators are judges sitting in a conservative majority Supreme court. I wonder what these two posters might have in common?

most people would think hey, we should help the single person as well. but not ihiv. his galaxy brain is like, nope we should remove any help for everyone.

What am I arguing against? Which social policy?

JFC read the ****** question that was asked of me....


Like I said progressives don't understand poor people or why a significant amount of them are poor. And yes I am responsible for the decisions I made that led to me to be homeless many many times, so was the overwhelming number of people that were homeless with me.

One of the first things you learn in treatment and that you get educated on is taking responsibility.

How can you expect IHIV to remain level-headed when confronted with such radical leftist rhetoric? Invitation to perform auto-fellatio incoming in 3-2-1...

There is little chance that your evidence about giving rates in conservative v. liberal areas will support the statement you actually made, which was:

And if your evidence is some combination of Arthur Brooks and George Will, it's worth reading the following to put that study in context.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.document.../who-gives.pdf

You don't have to impute based on the word "enable." He literally and explicitly blames the poor for beeing poor.

And he thinks kicking them while they're down is the cure:

Never mind that giving people money and/or housing unconditionally has shown to improve mental health, decision making, and overall well being more than making aid conditioned upon seeking treatment first in numerous experiments around the world, itshot wants these people to be shamed and to suffer for being poor.

people dont really get taught that if the conservatives would have stayed in power during the Great Depression then it would have absolutely destroyed our country. The Hoover administration had already made it much worse with their initial policies. They continued to campaign on and promote austerity.

this is probably true to some extent. but progressives are better than liberals or conservatives. and thats why I am a socialist.

I've mentioned this a couple of times in the past: one thing I've noticed is pretty much a constant amongst all right wingers is that they are completely incapable of understanding ideas without relating them to their own personal experiences. In this example, IHIV genuinely believes that the only causes of being poor or homeless that exist in the world are those which made him poor and homeless.

I could posit that this phenomenon arises because, as a group, they are dumbasses who lack the capacity for abstract thought, or it's because they lack empathy, but I really have no idea - the observation itself has so far proved to be infallible, though. In fact, I've found it to be a completely reliable predictor of someone's political leanings - strike up a conversation about something totally abstract, like quantum mechanics, and see if they keep trying to relate it back to a personal experience they've had.

Okay, you all failed me give me my f****** money.

Yes. this is how it should be. we have enough wealth, resources, and technology in current society that everyone should be given a basic level of human rights.

instead, we give all of the excess to the rich. why do you want to give so much to the rich?

Pop quiz:

What's the difference between a recovering addict and an addict? Other than one not using drugs anymore, what distinguishes the two? They all of sudden got luckier?

While I believe it's true that addiction does disproportionately affect poor people, it is often an effect of being poor rather than a cause of it. As I said in my post above, not everything revolves around your personal experiences, at least try to think a little bit bigger.

So you really think if you give a crackhead a million dollars they're going to stop being a crackhead?

The only difference between a recovering addict and addict, other than one not using drugs, is the way they think about things and the decisions they make. Further, instead of treating their mental health issues (if they have them, which many do) with drugs, alcohol, and gambling they go see a counselor. Through education they learn coping skills they didn't have before.

Substance abuse affects an enormous amount of homeless people, and is likely the single largest causative factor for homelessness.

Try and take a step back and think about what's being said. Causes and effects, that sort of thing.

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You don't hit the street and become an addict. You become an addict then you hit the street.

I was just changing my screen name because I'm not in Vegas anymore. Which is what I intend to do pretty soon here, still.

Conservatives are Happily bringing back other people's money to their own states. The redstates don't seem to mind taking from other states so they can subsidize their low-tax fantasy.

People who hit the streets due to addiction tend to be from poor communities in the first place, DUCY?

Lol, because when people are changing their screen name, they just make the pronouncement "I'm leaving" with no further qualification. Makes perfect sense.