Voter ID laws lower the amount of people voting, for a multitude of reasons, and people will not get them, i.e. make it more unlikely they vote. This decreases the political power of minorities.


I think mental health and behavior screening in elementary schools would help a lot, to identify and at least provide some sort of counselling. Once they reach adulthood, or even mid-late teenage years, it's too late.

I think you should have to take some proactive action to prove your right to vote in that district. How do we know if you even live there? Not for card, but some verification.

And, mental illness can be treated in a variety of ways. It is never too late to get better. The people I was close to tried to get better, but the medication would make them cold, or the therapist was wrong, etc. Encouragement on their journey when they were stable was probably most helpful.

But, imagine you are war vet with PTSD. You want to seek treatment. But, if you do, you will be banned from owning fire arms. This person might not seek treatment. Think we won't be helping mentally ill people and not solving for what we were trying to solve or in the first place.

You got a good citation for this last claim, or is it just your feelings?

I would be surprised if he has a citation for something like this.

Seems like an emotional reaction.

Many people deal with mental health problems at varying points in their life and most are able to deal with them through available techniques (medicine and therapy and combination of both).

He did start with, "I think", which indicates opinion.

Well, it's kind of common knowledge personality disorders do not develop in children, because their personalities are still developing. Further, the difficulty in dealing with adults with personality disorders has made getting research and treatment really hard. Finally, these folks do not seek mental health treatment, and when they do, they are difficult to treat, because they do not accept they have a disorder. Attacking the problem of personality disorders seem best addressed before they fully develolp.

If you want a cite, just go google any particular personality disorder and read about it, then read a few studies on another, etc. There is not one source, it's a combination of sources.

A follow-up from this post in the other thread, this twitter thread (shamelessly stolen from suzzer's post in SE politics) is a great illustration of how gun culture and the influence of the NRA has changed over the past 10-20 years. This is the root cause of leftist's increased animosity towards the NRA and its members in recent years.

I would not dispute that. There is a certain level of angst that comes from dealing with someone in a hardened position. We are all well aware of this. I do not think the solution with the NRA is to dig in harder.

That's a no, then. "Just googling it" can bring up all manner of deceptive or non-authoritative sources.

But ok:

3/3 saying that it isn't impossible to treat NPD.

Okay.

Here is what I really said:

Oh, my it is too late for diagnostic fatalism.

What does "too late" mean to you?

Ishotvegas,

mental illness does not often show up at early ages.

And, you know, Stephen paddock probably would have missed most screens.

It's in the context of mass shootings, preventative actions, and with the understanding it's easier to stop it from happening than treat it.

As pointed out in your own material:


With that said, I can do a deep dive for you, and cite all kinds of stuff and embarrass you, or you can just let this go....your ****ing call. Go focus on racism, this one is too big for you...and I'm not Scotty Nguyen.

The point is to get to it before they get the personality disorder.

I don't deny anything from the source. I do claim that "too late" to most English speakers means that it is past the point that anything useful can be done, and that this is evidence once again that you are a shitty writer rather than someone who is being deliberately misinterpreted.

Mr. Wookie says to itsshontinvegast

IN YOUR FACE!

Total victory

and the coup de gras

Make up your ****ing mind. Am I a liar when I say that your characterization of NPD is that nothing can be done, or not?

Most people are not going to play the absolutist card, like you did, and continue to do. Yeah a small percentage of them can be treated, but most of the times its too late. I did not say it was impossible, nor did I say nothing can be done. You got your ass handed to you, now admit it and move on, or do not admit it, and move on.

And you did! You don't get to claim victory when I cite sources on your behalf that support my case. If you want to claim that your position is that it is "usually" or "often" too late, or that it "becomes really really hard but not impossible," then write better instead of whining about people taking you at your word.

What does the tweeter mean that this graph has to do with race?

Moving on, my cite(s) good enough for you?

Not really, no. I have no reason to take them over mine.

Two of which is a treatment center, and none of your sources cites literature from any journal, established, or otherwise.

Because gun sales spiked around the election of Obama thus racists started buying more guns is the claim. IIRC in the wake of Sandy Hook the calls for banning “assault weapons” increased and the sale of “assault weapons” increased in kind. Wonder if people speculate in such things as buying an “assault weapon” because it may be outlawed and thus the value would increase. Seems like the downside is minimal to me but I concede it is a dumb thing to speculate on.