Good people make mistakes from time to time.

No, I do not control anything about the education system, nor do I have any desire to do so. Just giving my ideas about what I believe would be a better system, as you and everyone else does.

Why are you harassing me about this when I was just agreeing with Dunyain? Ask him about his ant farm.

how would it be better?

What rights to guns currently have and want rights are guns currently being pushed?

It seems like guns are like companies in that 1) a lot of liberals think you can tax and give/take away their rights 2) neither has rights and 3) neither can be taxed but the people who own them can have rights or be taxed.

"Hey, the government has done a really poor job in nearly every adventure they have tried including education so why don't we outlaw anyone else from educating kids so they can educate all kids poorly to make thinks fair."

"These private schools are so much better at educating kids that we should force them to shut down so those kids can get a worse education at public schools. Next we should shut down all the major airlines because poor people can't afford the plane tickets on the major airlines who are much safer to fly on - this way only the small regionals like allegiant and frontier are the only options. If poor people can't afford to fly safe the rich and middle class shouldn't be able to feel safe either."

Do you have sources that show the police are being "tyranical, oppress citizens and further a genocide against african americans" and are "genocidal white terrorist group"?

Either a source for all 4 of those claims or one that supports them all works. That just seems like a silly thing to claim the police are doing so I think it would be wise to show some kind of support for nutty statements like these, sir.

You may be able to re-write history in 50 years or so, but everyone ITT was alive the last 5 years.

Of the tens of millions of people who called to defund the police or reduce the police budget what percent of them are liberals and what percent are conservatives in your opinion?

Do you think less than 50% of dem elected politicians said something in support of defunding the police at some point in the last 3 years?

Do you think more than 50% of people who identify as liberal can say they never held the belief at one time or another in the last 3 years we should reduce the budget of the police/defund them?

After seeing how poorly defunding the police ran with the US population dems new position is we never supported defund the police, but in the last 3 years a huge % of liberals were calling for defund the police. It is too early to re-write history and claim we never supported defund the police - you need to wait at least another 20 years and maybe 50 years.

Many public schools that are well funded and have a lot of parental involvement provide an excellent education. If all public schools were well funded, and the parents who care about their children's education were now involved in public schools (instead of mostly sending their children to private ones), it would likely vastly improve the overall system.

If we currently had one airline owned by the government, and another airline which was private and did not have to follow any government regulations, I believe the first one would be safer. Maybe you don't realize that the reason airline flights are mostly very safe is because of well-trained public employees (air traffic controllers).

https://www.reuters.com/legal/govern...ly-2022-03-30/

https://travelnoire.com/journalist-s...emacist-police

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-police-report


"In a timely new analysis, Michael German, a former FBI special agent who has written extensively on the ways that US law enforcement have failed to respond to far-right domestic terror threats, concludes that US law enforcement officials have been tied to racist militant activities in more than a dozen states since 2000, and hundreds of police officers have been caught posting racist and bigoted social media content."

are you arguing that the police are NOT tyranical murderous oppressors?

have you heard of how the innocent until proven guilty protestors have been treated?

did you see how amon bundy was murdered or whatever the old guys name was?

how about that america has 25% of the worlds prison pop but we are like 5% of the worlds population

do you like the ATF?

Miss the point much?

Parents are so convinced that a private education is better for their kid that they are willing to forgo a free education for an expensive one.

You sound like some of the goof balls on shark tank "I make belts and the belt industry is a trillion dollar industry so if I can just sell 1% of the worlds belts next year I'll be a millionaire in no time." If only parents who cared about their kids education would stick around in these poor public schools in a few generations the public schools would be come a little better than they currently are but still worse than current private schools.

Why would there only be 2 airlines? This seems like a silly hypothetical. Nonetheless, nobody can stop you from claiming you believe that the government can run a business better than the private sector or that bigfoot is real and visits you on the weekends when you are asleep.

There is no doubt that some public employees provide a good for the country. That doesn't mean we should have a public employee in that role though. According to your logic you could argue that we should outlaw private grocery stores so then we can let the government run grocery stores so you can claim that people aren't starving because of the government.

I agree strongly with this; that is the outcome I would like to see.

The minority, who is already wealthy and has other advantages, would be going to a school that is worse than the ones they currently attend, while the majority would have better schools. That would be a huge net benefit for society as a whole.

The teachers, as a majority in public schools compared to private schools, are atrocious.

Another good guy with a gun story buried by the msm. Happened in vegas too

https://defiantamerica.com/video-wou...-msm-coverage/

yikes. That is hardcore, but in a way Brilliant for the outcome, God save us all lol

You must not get around "right wing" twitter much. My "For You" feed is filled with videos of people being robbed who shoot the robber, in all different contexts. And of course it never gets any play in MSM. For good or bad this seems to happen a lot more than people realize.

I say this trend could possibly be a bad thing because in many cases I suspect the robber has no intention of shooting the person they are robbing, they just want to rob and move along with their day; so human life is being lost without certain due cause (of course it is ludicrous to expect the person being robbed in the moment to try to discern the mindset of the robber and use restraint). This trend could also possible lead towards robberies themselves becoming more violent, as robbers will be quicker to shoot first if they perceive more danger to themselves.

I dont use twitter. But I’ll stay away from that part of it.

https://nypost.com/2023/06/27/carlis...arges-dropped/

Interesting gun death story that took place in Chicago a couple days ago that has made the rounds in DailyMail, NYPost, etc. but not gotten any play in MSM. Anyways, a man and woman are arguing in a fast food line. The man starts punching the woman, the woman's 14 year old son then shoots the man in the back with her gun. The man then tries to run away, but the woman and her son follow him out of the store and execute him.

Anyways, Foxx has predictably declined to press charges, saying it was self defense, which is somewhat arguable (but not really) if they had just shot him the one time; but following him out of the establishment to execute him, clearly it wasn't. And this is clearly just Democrats being really bad at dealing with gun crime in a coherent, just fashion, and the MSM being agnostic because it doesn't fit their preferred narrative.

Anyways, when I first read about this story it reminded me of the following similar one, which got a lot of play in the MSM when it happened, because it happened in Florida and involved a white suspect shooting a black man, so the media had the racial grievance narrative to promote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killin...eis_McGlockton

In this story, an older white man was arguing with a black woman over a parking spot, her boyfriend pushed the guy down to the ground and took a menacing step toward him. The white man pulled out a gun and shot him. In this similar case the prosecution actually successfully argued it was not self defense, because the black guy actually started backpedaling when he had the gun pulled on him, and the guy shot anyways. And they decided the backpedaling invalidated the stand your ground defense. The guy got 20 years for manslaughter.

Of course in this case because of the racial grievance/Florida angle, so called progressives were all over themselves arguing the shooter got the justice he deserved. Yet in this similar case, which is much worse because the already injured man was trying to flee when he was shot down ruthlessly from behind, and in this case the DA declined to press charges, progressives seem pretty agnostic so far.

If nothing else, just another anecdote to underscore Democrats/progressives have no coherent principles when it comes to gun violence (and more generally criminal justice), and should not be taken credibly as the party that will provide sensible gun reform or criminal justice reform.

Of course the outcomes are going to vary as widely as possible. The restraint thing is interesting and a totally unnurtured agency in far too many, ya dig?

I should add an addendum to the last anecdote that after executing the puncher, the woman and her 14 year old son fled the scene. And police had to track them down. And once again, absolutely 0.0 downside (and potentially very high upside) to mortally wounding someone and leaving them for dead in a big blue city, and another case of judges and/or prosecutors completely neglecting whatever laws are on the books prohibiting this.

As a second addendum it is interesting in the Florida case the man got 20 years for manslaughter, but all the anecdotes that happen in big blue cities seem to involve 1-3 year sentences. Between the abysmally low rate of actually identifying a suspect when someone is gunned down, and the high chance one will completely walk free or get a cupcake sentence; it sure seems that if you do have a proclivity towards ending another human life a big blue city is where you want to do it (presuming you aren't a non-elite white male of course)

You don't believe that two large newspapers in the biggest city in the US are mainstream media?

And you think a 14 year old boy should be prosecuted for shooting someone who was beating up his mother? That's one of very few cases I think a shooting shouldn't be prosecuted. Shouldn't the kid be a guns rights hero? It's certainly way more justified than the kid who drove across the state looking for looters to shoot.

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It is actually an interesting case on many levels who "should" be prosecuted and for what. Maybe the mother should be prosecuted, if not for murder/manslaughter than for something.

The original attacker was definitely punching the mother at some point, but he wasn't curb stomping her or anything. In fact while she was being attacked she had the wherewithal to order to order the boy to get her gun from the car, come back into the eating establishment and then shoot her attacker. And this appears to be exactly what happened. It had to have taken some time.

It actually isn't clear if the man was still actively attacking the mother when he was shot. The Chicago DA only released a tiny clip of the incident that shows the man hitting the mother some time before he was shot. There is a lot on the timeline we dont know and that is of course intentional by the DA. We do know from eyewitness accounts the boy shot the man in the back as he was instructed and then the man attempted to flee, and the mother and son chased him down and the mother ordered the boy to execute him, which he did (the little MSM reporting on this incident conveniently left this part out of course). Allegedly the mom ordered the boy to also shoot her attackers girlfriend and at least one bystander also, but he declined to do this and they ran away.

Anyways, the point isn't that I am sure this shooting was "justified" or not. There are a lot of details we just dont know about the timeline of what exactly happened, and because all charges were dropped we never will. But if you are pretty confident this was self defense but the Florida incident (or Rittenhouse) were not self defense, then it would appear you dont have any actual coherent principles and there is no reason I or anyone else should be taking you seriously when you call for criminal justice reform. Which is exactly why I dont take the Democratic Party seriously at all.

I'm not too keen on overzealous self-defense, so Kelhus's objections to the outcome in this case bothers me less than his other examples, but per usual, he is still presenting a distorted picture.

First, the NY Post etc. is part of the MSM, but the case also was reported on in a wide range of other outlets, including the Chicago Tribune, the AP, ABC, NBC, CBS, Yahoo, Washington Post, etc.

Second, there was no inherent unwillingness to prosecute this woman. The DA actually sought and obtained an indictment. The case was dropped after video evidence of the man's attack on the woman occurred, presumably because the DA began to have doubts about the office's ability to get a conviction, which is somewhat understandable because the man was clearly the instigator of the violence and if you watch the video, the attack was very, very violent.

I don't think anyone is arguing that we should prosecute the kid for shooting the guy while he was attacking his mother.

Was this one posted ITT? I don't recall it.

selective memory ITT