I know everyone will talk about it on the Trump thread, and try to blame Trump's rhetoric for the plot. That can be discussed there. But, it really has nothing to do with Trump and has to do with a bunch of violent asshats or drunk morons.

The context of the case and how scary it is probably warrants its own thread.

And, it is very scary! What I have heard of the plan sounds crazy. Arlington Road type stuff.

Glad the FBI got involved when they did.

Righty then.

One week later:

Glad you can admit when you're wrong

Hezbudlight gang essentially acted directly on order from Trump's calls to "liberate Michigan".

Stand down and stand by.

That's stupid. When something like this happens you just need to thank heavens that the FBI did such a great job and Governor Whitmer is safe from a plot concocted by a bunch of maniacs.

.....to continue........ concocted by a bunch of maniacs that may have been incited to act by the POTUS.

fyp

Plenty of other groups like this will come out of the woodwork post Nov. 3rd.

I really should infract you for being disingenuous with this line of.....thought(?).

On second thought by me..... post gone.

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Also posting my reply from the Trump thread here:

8chan, Twitter, Reddit, varius forums, Facebook groups, training camps, manifestos, intersection between different extremists. Incels, white supremacists, extremist libertarians, gun militias... the list goes on. It's a mess of a web to untangle, but what we do know is they the net sum is something very dangerous. Easily being one of the biggest terrorism threats in the developed world right now.

If Trump causes it? It's a simplistic question that invites simplistic answers. He certainly doesn't help stop it, and many of his words and actions have been massive political victories for groups like these and the networks they exist as a part of. But no, I don't think he is some kind of "Ayatholla" of far-right extremism, but he is certainly a figurehead for many of the people involved. He plays with rhetoric that has serious consequences coming from anyone, but very serious consequences when it comes from the highest office of the US and the foremost political leadership position in the world.

wiki:The Michigan Milita Corps (MMC) were founded in 1994 by Norman "Norm" Olson, a former US Air Force non-commissioned officer from Alanson, Michigan.[9][11]

The early meetings of the Michigan militia were attended by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols before they carried out the Oklahoma City bombing on April 19, 1995, which drew media attention to the organization.[

A good read

Cliffs: Republicans will say it's "the will of the people" when the process is tilted towards them, them being a minority; but say "we're a Republic not a democracy" when it's not.


https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...democracy.html

trump(among others) has been emboldening these kinda morons for years now. Acting surprised when some end up following through is either being insanely naive or just plain disingenuous.

Trump has been playing to violent asshats and drunk morons for years.

The only thing I find surprising about their position on this is the surprise about their position on all this:

Trump: Liberate Michigan!


White Supremacists: Will do sir!


How much of a clearer line do you need?

Tomorrow's headlines today: Two notorious brothers suspected in Whitmer kidnapping mistakenly released as a result of mysterious database malfunction at county jail.

looks about what you'd expect - probably has deep ties to the local incel community.

lol

I love the guy who cheers violence against reporters all of a sudden claiming he "defends ALL Americans, even those who oppose and attack him"

What I will always do lol Last 4yrs say otherwise bud.

Weird, programming jokes usually land.

I liked it.

I think it's almost always safe to assume people aren't joining in on stuff like this because they're getting laid too much

Behold the master race.