huh?

What's unclear , what's your question

my question was "huh?"

isnt your crowd great.
yup even tho luciom is on your side he would gladly have u killed if u were there .

jan 6 is overblown. looked like the burning man festival spilled into DC. anyone who thinks these were serious people and they were an actual threat to anything but themselves, is lying to themselves or bonkers

luciom is a globalist...not on my side in the slightest

Why did the policemen commit suicide?

It's hilarious watching you people tell yourselves this with your attempt at a straight face.

I put you in the bonkers category

Lucicam is basically a leftist

Who do YOU think had a greater chance to overthrow the most powerful country in the history of the world without one shot fired?

A. the 1k or so people who invaded the capital on jan 6th
B. an institutionalized person who thinks the keys to the country are locked inside a safe in the backroom of the Wal-greens in small town Ohio and is willing and capable to walk into that Wal-greens unarmed and break into the backroom to get the keys
C. both A & B have the same odds

How is their chance of success even relevant?

It is so absurd how this has been whitewashed as not at all a big deal

Did everyone who entered the Capitol do so with the expressed intention of stopping or overturning the certification of Biden? Yes, this isn’t really disputable and even if there was little to no chance of success they still breached the captiol and caused the evacuation of every single member of the house and senate and the sitting Vice President and this was done with at best the encouragement and at worst at the explicit instruction of Trump

Did everyone who entered intend on overthrowing the government and killing members of Congress deemed the enemy? No. But assuming that nobody entered with that intention is just lying to yourself and everyone you express that to. People showed up armed, people showed up masked in body armor with zip tie handcuffs. There was a ****ing gallows. But ya I’m sure that was just making a point by doing BLM cosplay

This is disingenuous. No one thinks that the protesters themselves had any chance of overthrowing the U.S. government by force. The hope on the Trump side was that the spectacle would put pressure on Pence to do the wrong thing, which in turn would precipitate a constitutional crisis, which in turn would precipitate a decision from the SCOTUS in which the court said that the question of electors, etc. was beyond the purview of the court, which in turn would lead to the military and FBI saying that it was not their place to get involved in purely political matters, which in turn would lead to Trump staying in office and successfully resisting the results of a non-rigged election.

There are a lot of steps in that process. I never thought the plan had more than a puncher's chance of succeeding. But the chances definitely were non-zero, and even a failed effort was guaranteed to normalize political behavior that we most certainly do not want to normalize.

It's just crazy for Republicans to pretend they're the real patriots when they excuse breaking into the capitol to interrupt official congressional proceedings because it was unlikely to actually subvert democracy.

I look at the Jan 6 mob having the same brain power as the world’s dumbest criminals - like the guys that use Ubers as getaway cars from bank robberies. Stupid as **** but still criminals deserving punishment. Your staning for them says a lot.

The U.S. Attorneys' office is quietly proceeding with January 6 prosecutions and those involved are facing real consequences commensurate to the seriousness of their offenses. See https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/media/1331746/dl?inline. You can peruse over 100 pages of January 6 defendants and their sentences, to date.

Say what you will about the "seriousness" of January 6, but it's impossible to deny that the right wing media ecosystem is directly responsible for these hundreds of people (with more prosecutions ongoing), most of whom likely never would have ever been touched by the criminal justice system, becoming felons. And yes, people make their own choices, but these people would not have been there but for the misinformation being spread about the election.

The right has to play down and try to move past January 6 not so much because it was a legitimate threat to our democracy, but because it reveals the fundamental betrayal of the right's own constituency.

Also, subversion of democracy isn't usually a singular event like flipping a light switch.

Subversion can be (and often is) a gradual process that occurs through the erosion of norms on which a functional democracy relies.

it isn't, or it shouldn't be.

Ofc the vegan shaman and his crowd weren't a serious threat (ie they had no chance of actual success). Doesn't matter, they should have been executed anyway. You don't wait for the threat to grow to put things straight.

the vice president, a conservative republican, said thought and acted otherwise.

the secret service team, filled with conservative republicans, said thought and acted otherwise.

why do you think you know better than republicans who were there?

Yeah. And we still don’t know what would have happened if Pence just said “hey look a lot of questions have been raised about the results from GA, AZ, WI and MI. I would like to take time for these ststes to confirm their results before we certify”. Then just cue up Trump talking about fraud the fake electors, right wing media saying trump really won and honest media covering both sides and you have a pretty combustible mix.

Yes it starts with the little things like ignoring Supreme Court rulings , denying or fighting against third party candidates , having intelligence officers labelling things as Russian Disinformation, telling social media what they can and cannot post

speaking of which we should have an answer on that within this week

The reason people quote a post when writing their own post is so others can follow along with what is being said. In this case one poster said anyone who thinks the 1/6th people were a serious threat is delusional then my post was in response to someone responding to that post disagreeing with the first post - suggesting the 1/6ers had any shot of overthrowing the most powerful country in the world.

I am, in no way trying to downplay the seriousness of what the 1/6ers did. I think some of them deserve jail time in the same way a lot of BLM rioters and the Supreme Court justices protestors deserve jail time for political violence or the threat of political violence. I think we should also include people who are violent or threaten violence to judges or politicians for political reasons or those who encourage that violence - I know that would include quite a few current and former dem politicians but we can’t downplay political violence - it is very serious.

lol at saying 100% of people who entered the capital did so to overthrow the country. Nobody knows what that % is but we all know it isn’t 0% or 100%.

You must hate Trump. He has been very open about the fact that he believes that there should be change in libel laws to make it easier for wealthy people to throttle the media.

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/10/57710...them-as-a-sham

He also has a long (and unsuccessful) history of seeking prior restraint orders.

If you honestly believe that the odds of the protestors/rioters eventually succeeding in overthrowing the most powerful country in the history of the world either through your steps or any other sequence of events you need to stop drinking the kool-aid. The chance of this working was exactly 0% and anyone who says otherwise is in a fantasyland or was talked into believing it by someone who did so for political reasons.

Don’t believe everything you read on the internet.