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05-01-2019 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99


Pre-2016 anything like this this would literally have been a week-long story with dozens of hours devoted to it on FoxNews and all right-wing media.

Maybe we can get into the Grand Canyon-wide double standard for Trump vs. Obama. Remember "Golfer in Chief"? Remember the latte salute, tan suit and endless other much-ballyhooed examples of Obama disrespecting the presidency? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

I'm curious if the "CNN lies" crowd acknowledges how CNN still isn't remotely close to the propaganda effort put out by Fox and right-wing media.

I mean there is no lefty equivalent of this phenomenon. Maybe Chapo Trap House - but 80% of all Democrats don't listen to that.
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The $16 muffin: It’s just another piece of evidence that federal spending is out of control, according to pundit Bill O’Reilly and others who have pounced on an inspector general's report as evidence of a wasteful Washington.

O’Reilly left his usual perch hosting*The O’Reilly Factor*on Fox News to visit Jon Stewart, host of Comedy Central’s*The Daily Show. The announced topic was O’Reilly’s new book about Abraham Lincoln.
They weren't even 16 dollars, that was the charge for the whole meal. Nevermind that no one was even alleging that that money was going to anyone involved.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...a-event-space/

Unlike here

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The emails show that the president’s company refused to agree to what was essentially a bulk-purchase agreement with the federal government, and that it charged the maximum allowable federal rate for hotel rooms. The Trump Organization could be obstinate when it came to rates for, say, function rooms at Mar-a-Lago, a problem that was eased when the president signed a law lifting the maximum “micro-purchase” the government can make.
In other words the government actually tried to get a better rate but Trump's company refused to accept it and was able to charge more thanks to a law that... checking notes... Trump, as the President, signed into law.

It's almost like Republicans have agreed that Republican corruption is just fine.
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05-01-2019 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Shandrax
My point is this: Americans live in the richest country on Earth and they should be grateful for that and they should be grateful that someone is trying to keep it as it is. This doesn't mean that within America there is no poverty. There is a lot of poverty in the US of course, but a non trivial percentage of it comes from playing Santa Clause, from transferring jobs and money to poor countries.



Just google the decline of the western countries while the poor countries made a massive step forward over the last decade. You guys paid for this, and me and my folks paid for it too by the way. We are very nice people, aren't we? Judging by the state of their town, the people of Detroit must be the nicest of them all. The best thing about it is that the whole World hates us nevertheless.



If I have to decide between giving away my money and feeling good about myself and keeping my money and hating me for it, I'd rather keep my money. I don't know about you, but I rather die as a rich old bastard than poor like a mouse but with a pure heart.
I assume its non kosher to ask for you to cite any of this?
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05-01-2019 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99


Pre-2016 anything like this this would literally have been a week-long story with dozens of hours devoted to it on FoxNews and all right-wing media.

Maybe we can get into the Grand Canyon-wide double standard for Trump vs. Obama. Remember "Golfer in Chief"? Remember the latte salute, tan suit and endless other much-ballyhooed examples of Obama disrespecting the presidency? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

I'm curious if the "CNN lies" crowd acknowledges how CNN still isn't remotely close to the propaganda effort put out by Fox and right-wing media.

I mean there is no lefty equivalent of this phenomenon. Maybe Chapo Trap House - but 80% of all Democrats don't listen to that.
Serious question, why does any of this matter? If we just aknowlege that news outlets have an agenda that they push, and that each side is going to nitpick the **** out of each other, then getting angry about things like this seems like a desperate waste of time.
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05-01-2019 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
They weren't even 16 dollars, that was the charge for the whole meal. Nevermind that no one was even alleging that that money was going to anyone involved.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...a-event-space/

Unlike here



In other words the government actually tried to get a better rate but Trump's company refused to accept it and was able to charge more thanks to a law that... checking notes... Trump, as the President, signed into law.

It's almost like Republicans have agreed that Republican corruption is just fine.
But they might also think it is bad. The part I think is straw manning is the (insincere) attempt to read someone’s minds and determine what they think is good and bad.


I have a feeling in the years to come there is going to be a lot of books coming out by republican politicians explaining the extenuating circumstances that led them to support Trump and not condemn his bad behavior despite serious misgivings.
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05-01-2019 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by coordi
Serious question, why does any of this matter? If we just aknowlege that news outlets have an agenda that they push, and that each side is going to nitpick the **** out of each other, then getting angry about things like this seems like a desperate waste of time.
because the president of the united states is utterly corrupt and using the office to enrich himself and his family personally through a direct diversion of taxpayer money to his own pocket.

i mean i guess this is another one of those things totally good faith supporters of trump overlook, but normal rational people should not overlook it.

i agree the bagel bit was just hannity types being ridiculous partisan hacks, see also bike helmet, brown suit, etc..
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05-01-2019 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Shandrax
There is a lot of poverty in the US of course, but a non trivial percentage of it comes from playing Santa Clause, from transferring jobs and money to poor countries.
Where do you think the U.S. ranks in development aid as a % of gross national income?

And what do you think are the main contributors to the phenomenon of jobs being done outside the U.S. that theoretically could be done inside the U.S.?
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05-01-2019 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Shandrax
Just google the decline of the western countries while the poor countries made a massive step forward over the last decade. .
Should I do it as a phrase search? Like "the decline of the western countries while the poor countries made a massive step forward over the last decade"

That returns nothing.

Same for:

"the decline of the western countries" AND "while the poor countries made a massive step forward over the last decade"

and:

"the decline of the western countries" AND "while the poor countries made a massive step forward" AND " over the last decade"

Maybe I should just go directly to Youtube?

Help me out here chief.
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05-01-2019 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker
Should I do it as a phrase search? Like "the decline of the western countries while the poor countries made a massive step forward over the last decade"



That returns nothing.



Same for:



"the decline of the western countries" AND "while the poor countries made a massive step forward over the last decade"



and:



"the decline of the western countries" AND "while the poor countries made a massive step forward" AND " over the last decade"



Maybe I should just go directly to Youtube?



Help me out here chief.
I already asked and was overlooked.

Expect the same.
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05-01-2019 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99

Yeah, trump somehow tricked these people into buying expensive drinks - I am sure they had no idea buying top shelf drinks at a nice place would be expensive. The club offers drinks at x price. The aides may have decided to drink there, but blaming trump for that is stupid at best.

Last edited by well named; 05-01-2019 at 05:03 PM.
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05-01-2019 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Where do you think the U.S. ranks in development aid as a % of gross national income?

And what do you think are the main contributors to the phenomenon of jobs being done outside the U.S. that theoretically could be done inside the U.S.?
You may want to specify if the 1st question should include the unintended consequences of certain policies like minimum wage, high corporate taxes, etc or is that what Q2 is about?
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05-01-2019 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Yeah, trump somehow tricked these people into buying expensive drinks - I am sure they had no idea buying top shelf drinks at a nice place would be expensive. The club offers drinks at x price. The aides may have decided to drink there, but blaming trump for that is stupid at best.
Do You realize Trump owns this property and the federal government is paying for the drinks?
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05-01-2019 , 05:06 PM
Yes and Yes. Do you realize that when an aide orders a drink at a bar it is the aids decision to order the drink and not trump's?

I get the whole "let's complain about literally everything trump does" but extending that beyond what trump does to what those around him are doing too is a bit much for me.
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05-01-2019 , 05:07 PM
I actually feel the Mar A Lago drink thing should be a big deal. But maybe this is just par for the course so it isn’t even news worthy at this point.
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05-01-2019 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Yeah, trump somehow tricked these people into buying expensive drinks - I am sure they had no idea buying top shelf drinks at a nice place would be expensive. The club offers drinks at x price. The aides may have decided to drink there, but blaming trump for that is stupid at best.
Trump didn't trick these people into buying expensive drinks, he just charged the drinks to the US government.
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05-01-2019 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Trump didn't trick these people into buying expensive drinks, he just charged the drinks to the US government.
The way I hear it a roving band of Department of Defense workers got lost between G and H streets in DC and luckily ended up in Mar-A-Lago.
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05-01-2019 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Trump didn't trick these people into buying expensive drinks, he just charged the drinks to the US government.
Are you suggesting a shot of top shelf bourbon is $X for everyone except the government who actually has to pay $X+$5?

How is this different than you safely building a campfire and me intentionally jumping into your fire and claiming you attempted to murder me for offering such a fire that I could easily walk across the parking lot and jump in?
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05-01-2019 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by coordi
Serious question, why does any of this matter? If we just aknowlege that news outlets have an agenda that they push, and that each side is going to nitpick the **** out of each other, then getting angry about things like this seems like a desperate waste of time.
Why don't you go back in time and ask FoxNews why much less than this was was cause for absolutely losing their **** from 2009 to 2016 and will be again a day after the next Dem becomes president? (assuming our Democracy survives this ****show intact)

This stuff matters because half the country is completely frothing at the mouth about it, until a Republican becomes president and does 100x worse, then crickets. And there is no liberal equivalent of that. It maybe gets mentioned once in passing. MSNBC might do one snarky bit then move on to real issues. FoxNews would spend a solid week on much less than this. And that's not to mention all the much worse right-wing radio and online outlets.

It matters because there's an asymmetric information/propaganda war going on right now that's brainwashing a big chunk of the populace and slowly destroying this country.

Last edited by suzzer99; 05-01-2019 at 06:17 PM.
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05-01-2019 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Are you suggesting a shot of top shelf bourbon is $X for everyone except the government who actually has to pay $X+$5?

How is this different than you safely building a campfire and me intentionally jumping into your fire and claiming you attempted to murder me for offering such a fire that I could easily walk across the parking lot and jump in?
English only please.
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05-01-2019 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Are you suggesting a shot of top shelf bourbon is $X for everyone except the government who actually has to pay $X+$5?

How is this different than you safely building a campfire and me intentionally jumping into your fire and claiming you attempted to murder me for offering such a fire that I could easily walk across the parking lot and jump in?
I have no idea what you're trying to say.
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05-01-2019 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Are you suggesting a shot of top shelf bourbon is $X for everyone except the government who actually has to pay $X+$5?

How is this different than you safely building a campfire and me intentionally jumping into your fire and claiming you attempted to murder me for offering such a fire that I could easily walk across the parking lot and jump in?
The stand-your-ground law covers this situation. Be prepared.
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05-01-2019 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
I have no idea what you're trying to say.
Neither does he.
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05-01-2019 , 08:48 PM


I can see why Trump loves this guy. Peas in a pod.
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05-01-2019 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
I have no idea what you're trying to say.
If it helps here's the summary that the top tier alcohol binge is just an example of

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Six government contracting experts said Mar-a-Lago may be violating rules requiring competitive bids. They argue that Mar-a-Lago’s practice of invoicing meeting spaces, hotel stays and meals separately is a way to get around federal spending rules.

“Mar-a-Lago didn’t want to compete, they wanted to sneak around the requirements, and charge much higher prices than the competition,” said Tiefer, who served as deputy general counsel with the House of Representatives for 11 years. “It’s not the first time in history that vendors have tried to get around the rules by charging individual components. This is familiar to every contracting officer. And it’s wrong. It’s not just a technicality. It’s not a game. The only safeguard the public has against the Trumps swallowing up all the government business is at least minimal competition."

Several experts contend the State Department is exploiting loopholes in government spending rules to facilitate official gatherings at Mar-a-Lago. “It’s one of the biggest fears coming true, that they are bending over backwards to help the Trump Organization,” said Scott Amey, general counsel of the Project On Government Oversight. “I’m frustrated the State Department would exploit the system to bill Uncle Sam and the taxpayers. To have the government bicker to get a 10% discount shows the Trump Organization isn’t putting the American public first. It’s a worst-case scenario when it comes to conflicts of interest, with the president and his children putting themselves and profits ahead of the public.”
And this only what we know about because State Department expenditures arepublic. I'm sure the White House funds that aren't made public are just being handed over in big burlap bags. We've already seen multiple White House cabinet members get their hand stuck in Uncle Sam's cookie jar.

https://www.propublica.org/article/t...ore-mar-a-lago
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05-01-2019 , 10:19 PM
They are all crooked and suck .
Term limits.

If you don't like Trump, then run a credible candidate against him in 2020 and beat him..
Pretty simple, until then live with it.

Last edited by redbuck; 05-01-2019 at 10:31 PM.
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05-01-2019 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by redbuck
They are all crooked and suck .
Term limits.

If you don't like Trump, then run a credible candidate against him in 2020 and beat him..
Pretty simple, until then live with it.
We need a who will be the Dem POTUS nominee in 2020 thread.
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