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12-25-2021 , 06:37 AM
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20 years behind but you'll get there.
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12-25-2021 , 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
D2 you have a trolley. I rest my case
Chez, how do you feel about Dave’s theory that the Jews control who gets to be a US president? You agree with all that, right?
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12-25-2021 , 07:00 AM
If you read the posts before trolling you would know the answer
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12-25-2021 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Why don't you ask your buddy Mason about how Trump was gonna reduce his taxes and usher in the next poker boom, and then we'll have this little chat again.

You know, I actually get that. People who stand to make a lot of money are obviously biased.

But I don't think that represents all that many American Jews. My anecdotal experience from listening to people talk politics (often at the poker table and at low stakes) is that they're motivated by the same things the other people in their general demographic are. They're old, and secure and don't really have an interest in leaving the world any better then when they found it. It seems like basic human nature.

But for such a large percentage of Jewish voters in America to ignore such over the top fascism in the GOP and actual antisemetic tropes from Trump (if they're heartfelt of just politically motivated isn't really important imo) is amazing to me.

Of course I'm astute enough to be amazed at how many Catholics made a home in the GOP since they were always a non-white group too.
This whole white supremacist concept relies on people being very stupid when it comes to listening to what you're actually saying.
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12-25-2021 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
I'm really not sure why I need to explain this to a supposedly intelligent man, nor why you find it important to draw the distinction, but "white supremacy" and "antisemitism" go hand in hand.

Rather than going off on a long diatribe about the history of eugenics-type movements (you can, again, ask Mason about history - he has has written a book on it), I would rather relate a personal anecdote.

When I was about 21 (20 years ago), my cell mate was a white guy - 24, no tattoos, nothing like that. Just a goatee. I was in state in Mass, and he was there from the feds on a hold for some sort of warrant, on a 3 year stretch in the feds for white collar crimes. We had celled together for a few weeks when he started expounding some of his philosophies to me - he didn't like blacks coz they were "n*****s", and he didn't like jews either. I asked "why the Jews?", and he explained, like it was the most self-evident thing in the world - "coz they are n****r lovers".

Strikes me as Trump's core demographic, just saying out loud what a lot of them say behind closed doors. Hope that clarifies things for you.
I'm not so convinced that some 20 something year old inmates fully understands what's going or why or who he is supposed to hate. The jews in israel have a natural enemy for thousands of years, and that's the muslims. They want the holy land right? Its all about it. The further you go east the darker the pigmentation of people's skin colour becomes generally, because there is more sun.
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12-25-2021 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
I'm really not sure why I need to explain this to a supposedly intelligent man, nor why you find it important to draw the distinction, but "white supremacy" and "antisemitism" go hand in hand.

Rather than going off on a long diatribe about the history of eugenics-type movements (you can, again, ask Mason about history - he has has written a book on it), I would rather relate a personal anecdote.

When I was about 21 (20 years ago), my cell mate was a white guy - 24, no tattoos, nothing like that. Just a goatee. I was in state in Mass, and he was there from the feds on a hold for some sort of warrant, on a 3 year stretch in the feds for white collar crimes. We had celled together for a few weeks when he started expounding some of his philosophies to me - he didn't like blacks coz they were "n*****s", and he didn't like jews either. I asked "why the Jews?", and he explained, like it was the most self-evident thing in the world - "coz they are n****r lovers".

Strikes me as Trump's core demographic, just saying out loud what a lot of them say behind closed doors. Hope that clarifies things for you.
I've seen your picture.

If he was rooming with you and didn't have a hunch it's entirely possible you're the first one he ever met.

But yeah, that's basically my peeps from the hood. lol

Many of us have grown out of that but I know for a fact some of us haven't. It's why I can confidently proclaim the GOP is an actual fascist party.
Race is a funny thing. People are naturally divided by it, but when you use it politically the way it's used in America nothing good will come of it.

I'm not sure anything can be done. The olds have to die off and the young ones have to want to change. And that seems to be cyclical.

I'm just going for personal growth myself. That's hard enough. The day you realize you are the only person who can chose the course of action you take is the day you experience both freedom and dread. That doesn't move masses of people to give you power though. Unless they're hippies.
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12-25-2021 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Chez, how do you feel about Dave’s theory that the Jews control who gets to be a US president? You agree with all that, right?
Wallstreet trolly. Hollywood and diamonds.
Or just ask this question. Could a us president make a anti israel pro neo Nazi comment and not be kicked out of office?

If trump really associated with neo nazies. What would happen? A huge outrage, all hell would break lose. The whole world would come to a stop, right? Israel would let it known that it's not ok, and then all other countries would follow. And then what? Bye bye Mr president.. of course he cant do that.

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12-25-2021 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
I'm not so convinced that some 20 something year old inmates fully understands what's going or why or who he is supposed to hate. The jews in israel have a natural enemy for thousands of years, and that's the muslims. They want the holy land right? Its all about it. The further you go east the darker the pigmentation of people's skin colour becomes generally, because there is more sun.
And yet, they could all get along if they wanted to.

I get it, they're not wired that way. We're tribal pack animals but, we also have this ability to get along. The leaders really do set the tone.

Sorry, Xmas day and I'm being soft. I'll stop.
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12-25-2021 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
I am having an English problem.

No chance Jews would have allowed Trump to be elected if they thought he actually thought some nazis are OK.
Really?
You think JEWS "allow" who gets elected president?
Jews are TWO PERCENT of the US population!
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12-25-2021 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Considering Entebbe, the Moderna vaccine, the atomic bomb, and throwing a monkey wrench into Iran's centrifuges, I'm sure they could come up with dozens of schemes. (Since their existence would be at stake, they wouldn't be constrained by what is legal. But I doubt they would need to go to that length.)
You seem to view Jews as some kind of powerful world-wide cabal.
This thread is about AMERICAN politics and (for some reason) you are making this about Jews alleged omnipotent political influence rather than addressing Trump's pathological actions.

But just to be address your examples:

1) Entebbe was a military action by ISRAEL against terrorists in 1976!
2) The Moderna Vaccine? Uh.... what? A company founded by
3) The atomic bomb? Yes... their were many Jewish physicists involved in the Manhattan Project.
4) Iran centrifuges: Another ISRAELI military operation.

I don't see how any of your examples are relevant to the discussion.
In fact, your "arguments" border on typical anti-Semitic rhetoric.
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12-25-2021 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
It is pretty obvious.Unfortunately failing to understand is an art form with some. Plus a few real misunderstandings with some posters who approach things differently (lawyers vs math types)
Perhaps you can expand on this, as I assume I am the lawyer type and David is the math type. It's a weird distinction to make, because mathematical reasoning and legal reasoning have a lot in common. I assume that's why David thinks he would ace the LSAT.

Also, you are missing my point.

Trump wasn't going out of his way to express support for neo-Nazi ideology or white supremacism specifically. He was going out of his way to pander to and express support for people who supported him. Trump presumes that anyone who supports him is a good person. And that presumption is almost unrebuttable for Trump. That's where everything starts for him. If you support Trump, it doesn't matter what your reasons are or what your beliefs are. You are a good person. The mere fact that you support him proves that you are worth defending.

Last edited by Rococo; 12-25-2021 at 11:26 AM.
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12-25-2021 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
The further you go east the darker the pigmentation of people's skin colour becomes generally, because there is more sun.
wat
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12-25-2021 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
If you read the posts before trolling you would know the answer
chez it would be very easy for you to repudiate Dave’s comments on how Jewish “scheming” decides who gets to be president.
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12-25-2021 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
Perhaps you can expand on this, as I assume I am the lawyer type and David is the math type. It's a weird distinction to make, because mathematical reasoning and legal reasoning have a lot in common. I assume that's why David thinks he would ace the LSAT.
I am at a loss sometimes as to why stuff is misunderstood (the recent bit on 'rights' being an obvious example) but I was thinking of you as someone who wasn't trying hard to misunderstand.

What I might loosly call lawyer types are often over focused on the facts. Logicians on the the other hand are almost entirely uninterested in the facts. That doesn't mean that lawyers can't also be logician types and vice versa. Legal reasoning (at least the good stuff imo) is very logical so I wouldn't dispute your point at all.
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12-25-2021 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
wat
you're like a hawk. You're right , so the further you go pass israel the darker the people get. Middle easterns etc etc. It's hot down there, remember? Deserts.. opium etc. Till Afghanistan, then China. The jews are not so dark skinned because most of them have been artificially implanted, although some are, the authentic Jewish that lived there for centuries I guess. So yeah south of israel is saudi arabia, their arch rival way south and east.

They are next to egypt and next to lebanon, also next to jordan. They are supposed to be fairly dark skinned, yet they are not. That's because the state of Israel is an artificial state, kinda, it was always there, but not as it is now, not with all the blond Jewish people. That's new. If you travelled a lot you will notice many very light skinned people from israel and that's what I mean. Kind of like south Africans colonialist. Not original.

Israel
https://maps.app.goo.gl/zKQKNhzUErGyAr737

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12-25-2021 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
The further you go east the darker the pigmentation of people's skin colour becomes generally, because there is more sun.
washoe,

The equator runs east and west. Lines of longitude run north and south.
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12-25-2021 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I am at a loss sometimes as to why stuff is misunderstood (the recent bit on 'rights' being an obvious example) but I was thinking of you as someone who wasn't trying hard to misunderstand.

What I might loosly call lawyer types are often over focused on the facts. Logicians on the the other hand are almost entirely uninterested in the facts. That doesn't mean that lawyers can't also be logician types and vice versa. Legal reasoning (at least the good stuff imo) is very logical so I wouldn't dispute your point at all.
To state the obvious, application of logic to real world events depends on the facts.
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12-25-2021 , 12:26 PM
I will be curious to see if he can tie together this latest theory of his with the giant fluffy pillows to jump on from 80 floors up during 9/11 concept he had earlier. Guess it will depend on the consumed YouTube content.
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12-25-2021 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
you're like a hawk. You're right , so the further you go pass israel the darker the people get. Middle easterns etc etc. It's hot down there, remember? Deserts.. opium etc. Till Afghanistan, then China. The jews are not so dark skinned because most of them have been artificially implanted, although some are, the authentic Jewish that lived there for centuries I guess. So yeah south of israel is saudi arabia, their arch rival way south and east.

They are next to egypt and next to lebanon, also next to jordan. They are supposed to be fairly dark skinned, yet they are not. That's because the state of Israel is an artificial state, kinda, it was always there, but not as it is now, not with all the blond Jewish people. That's new. If you travelled a lot you will notice many very light skinned people from israel and that's what I mean. Kind of like south Africans colonialist. Not original.

Israel
https://maps.app.goo.gl/zKQKNhzUErGyAr737
Pasty Englishmen made the hierarchy. Red faced, bad toothed and ill tempered. I'd be mad too.
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12-25-2021 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
To state the obvious, application of logic to real world events depends on the facts.
No disagreement on that.

Going back to the 'rights' debate as that was very simple. Focusing on the 'fact' that rights are founded in law makes it much harder to understand what was being said. That's true even ignoring the fact that that 'fact' was wrong. Understanding what is meant often requires a much more generous approach of considering what would make sense assuming that the person isn't an idiot*. Then once we've doen the work of understanding them, the facts might result in us disagreeing with them.


*not you but too many leap to the assumption that their interpretation of what is being said is because the person saying it is an idiot rather then that they haven't understood. This happens even when the person clearly isn't anything like an idiot. This happens even in introduction to philosophy courses where it is common for people to conclude loudly that Descartes, Plato etc are idiots.
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12-25-2021 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Pasty Englishmen made the hierarchy. Red faced, bad toothed and ill tempered. I'd be mad too.
Yeah the brits, lol. I'm actually grateful that d2 and David and all did not jump on my throat for that post. My only intention was to illustrate how all that might lead to tension, or white supremist backing of Jerusalem. I'm not sure, how this all ties together. The whites against the muslims I guess. You have a) a fairly light skinned population next to the a fairly dark skinned population and b) all the religious tension about power and land. Explosive material. But everyone probably knows this.
The thing with trump and neo nazies has to be somewhere in there and that equasion, or as rococo pointed out, white supremacist.
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12-25-2021 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Yeah the brits, lol. I'm actually grateful that d2 and David and all did not jump on my throat for that post. My only intention was to illustrate how all that might lead to tension, or white supremist backing of Jerusalem. I'm not sure, how this all ties together. The whites against the muslims I guess. You have a) a fairly light skinned population next to the a fairly dark skinned population and b) all the religious tension about power and land. Explosive material. But everyone probably knows this.
The thing with trump and neo nazies has to be somewhere in there and that equasion, or as rococo pointed out, white supremacist.
The difference in skin tone between your average Israeli and your average Palestinian is not nearly as great as you seem to think it is.
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12-25-2021 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
The difference in skin tone between your average Israeli and your average Palestinian is not nearly as great as you seem to think it is.
I also watched don't mess with the zohan! Lol I know. Average doesn't mean rich and powerful though. They are the locals that don't want to have anything to do with all the madness.
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12-25-2021 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
I've seen your picture.

If he was rooming with you and didn't have a hunch it's entirely possible you're the first one he ever met.

But yeah, that's basically my peeps from the hood. lol

Many of us have grown out of that but I know for a fact some of us haven't. It's why I can confidently proclaim the GOP is an actual fascist party.
Race is a funny thing. People are naturally divided by it, but when you use it politically the way it's used in America nothing good will come of it.

I'm not sure anything can be done. The olds have to die off and the young ones have to want to change. And that seems to be cyclical.

I'm just going for personal growth myself. That's hard enough. The day you realize you are the only person who can chose the course of action you take is the day you experience both freedom and dread. That doesn't move masses of people to give you power though. Unless they're hippies.
Here is a picture of me when I was 22 (and a half), after I got out.



Don't look like a jew. Don't rly look like I belong in prison, either. Oh, if I could go back and talk to that kid.
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12-25-2021 , 07:12 PM
Must be one of the extra-sneaky Jews that blend in to engage in shenanigans.
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