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What’s great about republicans delusion is they always want less government in their affairs but when it’s not a good result for them , they crave for « foreign » government , like other states or the federal government intervention that would change the results of their own government works...

What great logic and true democratic convictions .

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12-14-2020 , 08:16 PM

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maulaga58

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Originally Posted by Da_Nit

Wow pretty remarkable, Christie finally grows a backbone.

Christie supports online gambling. Christie for president 2024. Hoping

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12-14-2020 , 08:49 PM

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steamraise

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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce

There’s a lot of things about Trump I’m going to miss. Everyone has their day.

I hope you have been donating to his cause.

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12-14-2020 , 09:07 PM

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wet work

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I bet Pence is dreading his upcoming date with the RINO horn

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12-14-2020 , 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuepee

Barr knew that Trump was one twitter rant away from firing him. Once Trump found the stones to do so then would follow the smears and then the hate and threats by the Trump mob.

By taking control of this and instead resigning but with a slobbering praise exit BJ for Trump, he has likely avoided almost all of that drama and instead left on his own terms.

it is a smart move by Barr.

(i still expect Trump to take some potshots in the coming days)

On balance, Barr's resignation is probably bad news for the country.

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12-14-2020 , 09:15 PM

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Tom Ames

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Originally Posted by wet work

I bet Pence is dreading his upcoming date with the RINO horn

I'm looking forward to it. I am hoping that his hair bleeds like Rudy's.

The more corners these scoundrels are backed into, the more I enjoy it. When you sell your soul ...

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12-14-2020 , 09:15 PM

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spaceman Bryce

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Originally Posted by steamraise

I hope you have been donating to his cause.

Oh my god! Steam raise, that’s so mean.

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12-14-2020 , 09:30 PM

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Cuepee

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Originally Posted by Rococo

On balance, Barr's resignation is probably bad news for the country.

Why? What do you foresee as some potential downfall from this?

A quick appointment of new acting AG who is a loyalist and enacts a bunch of things on Trumps behalf in the waning days?

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12-14-2020 , 09:42 PM

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steamraise

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Originally Posted by thedude404

Lou Dobbs
He said Barr was a liar, questioned who Barr was working for...

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Lou Dobbs gives fiery reaction to Attorney General Barr's resignation

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12-14-2020 , 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cuepee

Why? What do you foresee as some potential downfall from this?

A quick appointment of new acting AG who is a loyalist and enacts a bunch of things on Trumps behalf in the waning days?

Yes. That is my concern.

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12-14-2020 , 11:34 PM

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Adrenocromo

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Why didn't Putin try to hack the elector college this time? Or did he try and was stopped?

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12-15-2020 , 02:00 AM

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nucleardonkey

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Putin is fine with Biden. He knows what to expect based on four decades of evidence.

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12-15-2020 , 02:17 AM

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27offsuit

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Smarter political posters than me, can you explain this:

I just heard that what is a possibility now is VP doesn't confirm Electors on Jan 6th and vote goes to House and Senate and both have to be unanimous so that really isn't an option thank god.

But are you trying to tell me, that if the R's still held both, could they just have the VP call bullshit on completely made up charges like there are now, and both houses just vote numbers and install Trump?

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12-15-2020 , 02:47 AM

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12-15-2020 , 04:27 AM

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diebitter

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Originally Posted by 27offsuit

Doesn't sound false. But that's what happens when conventions based on rational, reasonable behaviour are in place and you get the irrational and unreasonable in a position to take advantage of it.

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12-15-2020 , 04:36 AM

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Bobo Fett

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It's about ****ing time someone did this. Well done, Paul Mitchell!

Congressman cites Trump's efforts to overturn election in announcing decision to quit GOP

Edit to add: Just noticed that Rococo already posted this and I completely missed it. But it's cool enough that ima leave my slow pony duplication here anyway.

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12-15-2020 , 07:35 AM

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Land O Lakes

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12-15-2020 , 08:18 AM

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LKJ

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Originally Posted by 27offsuit

Yeah, my understanding is that there would be much greater danger if the GOP held the House. Stakes of every midterm for the foreseeable future have gone way up, given this disgraceful display.

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12-15-2020 , 10:13 AM

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This where the Trumpsters are now putting all their hope.

They believe Pence should show up and simply refuse to read the results. This after members of both Houses force many State by State Basically deliberations lasting hours each before those State results can be accepted.

Pence would basically be filibustering and hold the Congress hostage while laughing at the Norm and responsibility.

The Trump admin have already made a mockery of the word "shall" in terms of obligation and responsibility by simply saying 'make me' and then watching as the feckless Dems to often refuse to try to do so.

"Precedent and statute give the vice president little wiggle room...

“There’s not much he can do[/B],” Donald A. Ritchie, the Senate’s former in-house historian, said in an interview. “[B]His job is really just to read them out aloud...

His only other option may simply be not to show up..."

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Can Congress Overturn the Electoral College Results? Probably Not

Every four years, the House and Senate come together to formally tabulate the electoral votes and raise any final concerns about the results. Normally, it is a perfunctory confirmation of the Electoral College vote. But this year, some of the president’s most strident supporters are threatening to transform it into a messy last stand by objecting to the results.

They are all but certain to fail, but not before a potentially divisive spectacle on the floor of the House that could thrust Vice President Mike Pence into the politically perilous position of confirming that Mr. Trump lost. Here’s how the process works.

The Constitution gives Congress the final say in the election.

When the Electoral College met on Monday, each state formally cast its electoral votes for president, affirming Mr. Biden’s win.

But the Constitution leaves it up to Congress to make the results final shortly before Inauguration Day. Article II, Section 1 says, “The president of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates, and the votes shall then be counted.”

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Win or lose, Trump’s allies can succeed in casting a shadow on Biden’s victory.
Mr. Trump’s allies, led by Representative Mo Brooks of Alabama, have their sights set on challenging five states — Arizona, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Georgia and Wisconsin — where they claim that widespread voting fraud occurred, despite the fact that all five states have certified that the results are valid and there is no evidence of any widespread impropriety.

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Pence may have the most uncomfortable task of all.

At the end of the process, it will be left to Mr. Pence to declare Mr. Biden the winner once and for all, albeit in tangled prose.

“This announcement of the state of the vote by the president of the Senate shall be deemed sufficient declaration of the persons elected president and vice president of the United States, each for a term beginning on the 20th day of January 2017,” Mr. Biden himself declared when he oversaw the tallying for Mr. Trump’s vote as vice president in 2017.

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But Mr. Pence serves a uniquely mercurial president with a penchant for disregarding the democratic process. The joint session will be a final dilemma, forcing him to balance his loyalty to Mr. Trump and his own political interests against his constitutional and legal obligations.

Precedent and statute give the vice president little wiggle room.

“There’s not much he can do,” Donald A. Ritchie, the Senate’s former in-house historian, said in an interview. “His job is really just to read them out aloud. It’s up to the members if they are going to do anything.”

His only other option may simply be not to show up, leaving the task of overseeing the session to Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa, who is the Senate president pro tempore, a distinction reserved for the longest-serving member of the chamber’s majority party.

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12-15-2020 , 11:44 AM

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McConnell offered his congratulations, and he does nothing without knowing where the senate lands. So, that is pretty much that.

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12-15-2020 , 12:18 PM

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Cuepee

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Will evangelicals now suddenly consider Trump a false prophet? And if so, will there be backlash against the remaining GOP.

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12-15-2020 , 12:25 PM

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How do they all look the same?

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12-15-2020 , 03:44 PM

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The electoral college voted for Biden yesterday, let's see how Dear Leader is handling it:

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12-15-2020 , 03:57 PM

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The way I understand the law to be even with control of both chambers the only way to overturn election would be a state legislature providing 2 sets of electors. So even with a majority in both chambers it would still fail. Biden has handled this terribly IMO. Aggressive litigation from Biden from the onset could have stopped this nonsense and never provided Trump and associates the oxygen to breathe. Biden being a wimp and not standing up to the bully has allowed this to go as far as it has. Now he has partially undermined his own presidency.

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12-15-2020 , 04:50 PM

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The penultimate nail has been placed in the coffin of the Trump train wreck. Senate Majority Leader McConnell has told Republicans not to object to state results when the joint meeting of Congress happens to confirm the electoral college results. Objections only hold weight if they are co-signed by a member of each chamber, therefore all the 100+ sycophants in the House of Representatives still carrying water for Trump won't find a co-signer for their objections in the Senate.

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