Step 1 - ganstaman makes statement post that asks for no reply nor requires any reply

Step 2 - ganstaman accuses me of not replying to suggest I am not debating honestly

Step 3 - I point out Step 1 to ganstaman and that the post required nor asked for any reply

Step 4 - ganstaman admits it was a statement and that it requested no reply

Step 5 - ganstaman still suggests i was wrong while acknowledging in fact the mistake was his and was captured in step 2


Separately ganstaman asks me 'why i can never admit a mistake' and gallery breaks into laughter pointing at the above.

I am not interested in that game you want to play, honestly.

What you are arguing is that direct proof is not a thing that exists in areas like this and thus you will just deny anything you do not believe.


If all of society took the position 'Obesity is great and desirable' in messaging from a persons birth to death, and obesity rates soared, we could NOT prove, to anyone not wanting to believe it, that the messaging had an impact.

Evidence in this area does not correlate to concrete proof in that way and you know it. What we can do is show the correlation between the messaging changing and obesity rates soaring.


Doctors increasing are speaking out that even they will not address obesity directly with sickly patients as the societal view of addressing obesity directly has changed from one of it being 'positive but tough medicine' to 'needlessly insulting and should not be said'.



And to the above point by you, know one is saying you cannot simply make up silly nonsense things to say based on your hypotheticals that have no connection to any reality nor any correlation to any fact. Knock yourself out if you want to say 'gold has no value' You can make dumb arguments and no one can stop you.


Saying that has no comparison to people discussing the very REAL changes (not just made up stuff someone like you can 'say') for instance, in how parents and schools and others now address childhood obesity and the correlating explosion of same we see happening.

Parents and teachers avoiding the hard discussions and past types of hard pressure put on children to not be obese. Being told in the past it is 'wrong', 'detrimental', 'other' and something to fight against and requiring 'tough medicine', changing to today where increasingly it simply not discussed nor tackled in any meaningful way.


You see this happening ...










and think you are making a good point by saying ...

"...If rural places embraced the fat acceptance movement their obesity rates would go down..."

Is a good argument because you 'can just say it'.

The rest of society just laughs you out of the room for making a specious point simply because you can.

Notice that Cupid never even contemplates nor accepts that the gallery is laughing at him, not with him.

Somehow you messed up the easy part:
Step 1 - QP makes a post
Step 2 - ganstaman replies to that post saying it's wrong
Step 3 - QP quotes ganstaman but not to reply to that post, instead just asking other questions

Why quote me if you aren't responding to what was quoted? It gives the appearance that you're just trying to blow past your mistake and shift the conversation by asking a bunch of questions.

The ganstman-Cuepee conversation is just vintage Cuepee. Cuepee's characterization of the video was objectively wrong. Ganstman pointed this out. That should have been the end. But Cuepee has then launched some inane meta conversation about the conversation while irrationally believing the "gallery" is laughing with him not at him.

where is 2022??

And you continue the lie and spin.

You already ADMITTED point 2 (your post) required NO reply from me (it was a statement) and yet you continue to try and pretend it was wrong for me to not reply to it or to pick a part out of it that i wanted to discuss.


Let me demonstrate your bad faith"

QP - It is sunny out and the heat is very uncomfortable

ganstaman - regarding 'the heat', this seems to be something more common these days


Now if i was ganstaman and as dishonest as you are, i would pretend you just replying to some tangential point to my STATEMENT that required no reply was somehow wrong.


Again you have already agreed your post warranted and asked for no reply. Me CHOOSING to reply to one aspect within it is not some offense as you feel you need to paint it in your lie.

Actually, this is another mischaracterization of yours I just haven't pushed back against. I never said my post didn't warrant a reply, I just noted that you don't have to respond. When you quote me, though, it looks like you are responding.

And this post is vintage uke.

You are flat out lying to circle jerk with ganstaman who commonly does the same for you.

ganstaman flat out admitted he made a post that REQUIRED no reply but seems to think he can take offense and say I cannot then quote it and reply to some aspect within it.

DIscourse does not work that way and has never worked that way. Once again you are trying to CONTROL a person who is not you and say 'you can only do what i would do'.

lets be clear as what ganstaman said was this...


ganstaman has ALREADY admitted this statement requires NO reply. It was not a question.

So what is this offense that is classic QP. What did i do wrong that uke and ganstaman feel the need to make into an issue and call out?


I chose to reply to one aspect within the statement. I CHOSE. MY CHOICE.

And uke and ganstaman cannot stand that. They control others choices and when they cannot they cry.

Honestly the two of you can go **** yourselves if you think i will EVER let you tell me what aspects of a statement i can or cannot reply to. My reply was reasonable and there was zero wrong with it, even if you guys would not allow me to reply if you had that power.

Look at you trying so desperately to parse words to try and be right where you are clearly wrong.

Your post did not warrant a reply and that is fact.

Had i just read it and moved on without any reply, if you called me out as wrong for not replying, you, in fact would be the one wrong. You did not ASK to me reply. There was no question in it directed at me. Thus it DID NOT WARRANT any reply.

What you are arguing is that 'since I chose to reply to one aspect that somehow has created some offense for you to call out'.

it is a completely specious argument by you. You made a mistake reacting as you did. And in posts to come you will ask why i do not admit mistakes and why i make things in to conflict while ignoring an absolutely fine and rightful reply to a statement by me is something you and uke are desperate to manufacture and spin into something just so you can never admit wrong and you can manufacture an argument where none should be had.

This inane QP ranting is exactly why I lurk here.

The psychological reason behind 98% of his obsessive posting revealed. And why he can't see the gallery laughing at him.

So much projection. Just looooooooooooool.

Nope. I think it’s a terrible argument, which was obvious if you read the post. It takes a naked correlation and just assumes causation based on nothing. What’s crazy is the argument you’re actually making is weaker because you don’t even have the naked correlation.

Nah. If you want to say fat acceptance is causing people to be obese that's a claim that would be pretty easy to support with data if it was true. It just doesn't seem to be true.

There is largely a covid acceptance movement. Much of public health is now focused on how to talk to antivax morons and how to convince them. Most people think you should sympathize with their nonsense concerns rather than berate them.

How would you go about measuring the spread of the fat acceptance movement?

Just as someone like you can say 'prove the Self Esteem movement' hurts kids and you can simply refuse to accept any of the evidence or views as you know the type of evidence you demand ('direct proof of causation') is not possible, in areas like this.

You are happy to hand wave away anything that does not suit your agenda which means if I show you articles like this below, that speak to arguments of how the Self Esteem Movement has been a disaster to kids you hand wave it away as having no place inn the discussion unless the types of conclusive evidence you demand (and know typically NEVER exist in areas like this) are present.

And the Right plays the same game you do in demanding conclusive proof that 'more guns' equals more deaths and rejecting any evidence that is not specifically conclusive and that shuts all other potential factors.

Both sides who play that game (you and the far right) are a scourge to those in the middle who can have real discussions and do real assessments understanding a lack of conclusive evidence is not the entire game because requiring such often would end any progress. Something that people on the extremes often share as the only true goal of their points.


The Gift of Failure
Letting our children struggle is a difficult gift to give.

You keep using the word proof. I'm just asking for evidence. Beyond your emotional dislike for fat acceptance or self esteem, are there good reasons to think they are actually harmful? If there are, you certainly are not capable of articulating it.

You seem confused. What you were wrong about was this wrong characterization:
Ganstaman correctly pointed out that the video didn't suggest this. You of course can choose to refuse to acknowledge your exaggeration. You can choose to launch a whole meta-argument not about your mistake but about who-said-what-while-pointing-out-your-mistake.

Poor diets are causing people to be obese. Fat acceptance is discouraging them from losing weight by spreading the misinformation that you can be "healthy at any size".

This message is clearly at odd with the data, which clearly show you cannot be healthy at any size.

This is as much misinformation as anything related to the covid misinformation.

Nobody can find any decent correlation between fat acceptance and being obese. With people who believe conservative and far right antivax nonsense we have solid data that they are dying at higher rates from covid after the vaccine has been available.

That's because no one is looking for one.

The point is that obesity is a global epidemic, the same as covid.

Fat acceptance is misinformation in the same way anti-vaccine rhetoric is misinformation.

When a trans (or gay, etc) person is a victim of X, they are "a member of the LGBTQ+ community".

However, when they are the perpetrator, they are "a person who is behaving sub optimally".

Why are they not "a member of the LGBTQ+ community who is behaving sub optimally"?

Right the anti-fat acceptance people are more feelings than evidence.

The first pass through the data shows liberal areas where fat acceptance would be most prevalent to have lower obesity than republican hell holes like West Virginia where fat acceptance would not be prevalent. Assuming the whole fat acceptance thing is a liberal plot as the anti fat acceptance people themselves claim. Nobody has bothered to look beyond that, so no surprse the anti fat acceptance people are having problems convincing people.

So there it is. You are simply playing games.

You admit no such thing as 'proof' exists in areas like this for your desire for demonstrable correlation you will accept. And that leaves us in the world of 'evidence', which by your own comment is an admission that 'evidence is NOT proof'. Evidence is something you can accept or deny and we can only agree to disagree on, if we do. So what I say is evidence of 'gun increases leading to more deaths, the far right can say, it is not proof to them as they can cite other factors that MIGHT play in'.


You are EXACTLY the flip side of them. You are why the far right games exist because they mirror your far left games and it just goes round and round and rightly so, with both sides saying 'not me... them'.

There is plenty of 'evidence' that all these versions of the self esteem movement do more harm than good. The article i cited above, which is someone's reasoned views goes to the body of 'evidence' since 'evidence' in this topic would be largely observational outcomes. But I cannot make you agree with that evidence and that is fine. We can agree to disagree. But that is not what you are doing. You push this as if NO EVIDENCE exists because it the evidence provided is stuff you do not agree with. You do not agree to disagree and MUST label the other side as wrong.

If a new teacher comes in to a class and all the students suddenly have better grades and outcomes that is just evidence the teacher is better. It is not proof. And you can reject that evidence if you want and i cannot make you accept it. But you CANNOT state what i am saying about the teacher is wrong, if i cannot provide you proof, as we both agree no such PROOF is possible. That is a game to frame it that way. You can agree to disagree only, that it is this teacher making the impact.