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03-17-2024 , 05:08 PM
I hope she's not giving him some sort of credit for doing any of that on purpose. That's just his personality, and he has no sense of humour to speak of (I doubt anyone who has actually spoken to him would call him "funny", at least not if it's meant to mean "witty") - all his "jokes" are just kindergarten level insults.
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03-17-2024 , 05:43 PM
As if having an effective rethoric or being funny had anything to do on the qualities of actually running a country .

It’s great to win election but nothing much more then that …
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03-17-2024 , 05:53 PM
Disenthrall from demagogues. If only they weren't so broke-brain
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03-17-2024 , 07:06 PM
He has zero sense of humor. I don't think I've ever seen him laugh.
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03-17-2024 , 07:24 PM
I distinctly remember the 2012 Comedy Central roast where he announced his first run and the rules he had in place on what the rosters weren’t allowed to say

The man is famously thin skinned and joyless
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03-17-2024 , 07:34 PM
fwiw, he does always seem happy when he's touching Ivanka though....
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03-17-2024 , 09:09 PM
Almost all of the Haley primary voters (and some of the Trump primary voters) are not Trump "cultists". Yet a high percentage will vote for him. Some will because they are racists. But I believe that most will because, aside from covid, Trump's past presidency didn't result in anything that particularly bothered them personally. Some things associated with Biden do bother them, and even some Democrats, personally. Trumps nastiness, laziness, autocraticness, or other bad attributes may not be enough to make up for how some people are bothered by things like trans stuff, leniency to criminals or the undocumented, eliminating student debt, excessive affirmative action, anti religious attitudes or other issues that partially depend on empathy they don't have. Democrats could be in trouble if they don't try harder to satisfy those non empathetic.
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03-17-2024 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Almost all of the Haley primary voters (and some of the Trump primary voters) are not Trump "cultists". Yet a high percentage will vote for him. Some will because they are racists. But I believe that most will because, aside from covid, Trump's past presidency didn't result in anything that particularly bothered them personally. Some things associated with Biden do bother them, and even some Democrats, personally. Trumps nastiness, laziness, autocraticness, or other bad attributes may not be enough to make up for how some people are bothered by things like trans stuff, leniency to criminals or the undocumented, eliminating student debt, excessive affirmative action, anti religious attitudes or other issues that partially depend on empathy they don't have. Democrats could be in trouble if they don't try harder to satisfy those non empathetic.
Half these people barely have enough brainpower to remember to continue to breathe, and you're acting like they are performing some delicate balancing act on the issues involved.
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03-17-2024 , 09:25 PM
The biggest thing is if the 2 major candidates end up 48% to 45% national popular vote Republicans are probably a big favorite whether they got 48 or 45. There isn't much Dems can do besides win the popular vote by 4.5+ given tipping point states are currently about that much redder than the nation. That will probably change drastically if Trump wins again though.
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03-18-2024 , 05:21 AM
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Trump on whether Putin was behind Navalny’s death



Imagine lololololozen will say the left is clearly muddling the waters here and trump clearly implicated putin
I'm in no way a Trump fan, but this seems like a silly question which was one of the more reasonable and honest proclamations he has made. Of course it is true that almost no one knows for sure how the guy died, and Trump certainly wouldn't know, unless Putin had personally called him and confessed. I don't think it's of any benefit for the leader (or potential leader) of one country to publicly accuse another world leader of murdering his political rival. Sure, Putin likely had him killed, but it's not like that was much worse than sending him to a Siberian prison for the next 30 years (and I would view it as more charitable than that). But the US still has to deal with this guy, and I don't think going out of your way to publicly accuse him of thing he may or may not have done would be in any way productive.
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03-18-2024 , 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
I hope she's not giving him some sort of credit for doing any of that on purpose. That's just his personality, and he has no sense of humour to speak of (I doubt anyone who has actually spoken to him would call him "funny", at least not if it's meant to mean "witty") - all his "jokes" are just kindergarten level insults.
Plenty of adults still have a kindergarten level sense of humor. I don't remember ever thinking much he said was funny, but I don't think all the people who laugh at his joking insults he makes at his rallies are faking the laughter.
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03-18-2024 , 05:27 AM
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I'm in no way a Trump fan, but this seems like a silly question which was one of the more reasonable and honest proclamations he has made. Of course it is true that almost no one knows for sure how the guy died, and Trump certainly wouldn't know, unless Putin had personally called him and confessed. I don't think it's of any benefit for the leader (or potential leader) of one country to publicly accuse another world leader of murdering his political rival. Sure, Putin likely had him killed, but it's not like that was much worse than sending him to a Siberian prison for the next 30 years (and I would view it as more charitable than that). But the US still has to deal with this guy, and I don't think going out of your way to publicly accuse him of thing he may or may not have done would be in any way productive.
it's not even sure Putin had him killed, but that's not the point, what's absolutely certain is that Putin is responsible for his death, given he shouldn't have been in prison to begin with.

I think claiming that wouldn't sour relationship more than sending weapons to Ukraine to kill russian soldiers lol
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03-18-2024 , 05:50 AM
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Half these people barely have enough brainpower to remember to continue to breathe, and you're acting like they are performing some delicate balancing act on the issues involved.
... another reason why some will vote for trump
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03-18-2024 , 05:50 AM
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it's not even sure Putin had him killed, but that's not the point, what's absolutely certain is that Putin is responsible for his death, given he shouldn't have been in prison to begin with.

I think claiming that wouldn't sour relationship more than sending weapons to Ukraine to kill russian soldiers lol
I basically think of Putin as probably similar to Trump in that he would take a personal insult more seriously than an act of war against his country.
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03-18-2024 , 08:40 AM
Mike Pence weighed in on Trump referring to Jan. 6 rioters as 'hostages,' calling the rhetoric unacceptable.

Trump says Jan. 6 rioting is normal political behavior.

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They want to accept election results when they win and they want to start a revolution when they lose.
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03-18-2024 , 08:56 AM
I was meaning to point out that Pence specifically said recently that he was not endorsing Trump for president, and the most important reason was the January 6 incident.

For those of you who still think it was no big deal, I think you would probably think differently if you had been here and people were yelling that they wanted to kill you.
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03-18-2024 , 02:28 PM
Trump lawyers say Trump can't secure a bond to appeal the fraud verdict

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68600093
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03-18-2024 , 02:33 PM
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Trump lawyers say Trump can't secure a bond to appeal the fraud verdict

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68600093
No potential lenders want to accept any of his properties as collateral.

If that isn't an ironic confirmation of the verdict ...
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03-18-2024 , 02:38 PM
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No potential lenders want to accept any of his properties as collateral.

If that isn't an ironic confirmation of the verdict ...
Because bond issuing as per article requires liquid collateral usually.

I suppose with huge haircuts he could secure a bond using property, but for approx half a bill he might need more than a billion in property without any mortgage on it and I am not sure he has that much
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03-18-2024 , 02:52 PM
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Because bond issuing as per article requires liquid collateral usually.
My understanding is only actual bond companies make that a requirement. Insurance companies (like he used for the other case) and banks can do what they want.
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03-18-2024 , 03:00 PM
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My understanding is only actual bond companies make that a requirement. Insurance companies (like he used for the other case) and banks can do what they want.
Yes I also think that's not a legal/regulatory requirement, but as I mentioned the haircut for illiquid property would be very substantial, as distressed sales of commercial real estate in particular, in particular in this market, can yield a lot less than estimated fair value.

And ofc it has to be real estate clean of any mortgages which would be fairly unusual, some leverage is usually kept around for various reasons
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03-18-2024 , 03:00 PM
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Because bond issuing as per article requires liquid collateral usually.

I suppose with huge haircuts he could secure a bond using property, but for approx half a bill he might need more than a billion in property without any mortgage on it and I am not sure he has that much
Depends who's asking, the bank or the tax man?
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03-18-2024 , 03:02 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/18/trum...wyers-say.html

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Former President Donald Trump has been unable to obtain an appeal bond to secure a $454 million civil judgment against him in a New York business fraud case, his attorneys said in a court filing Monday.

Lawyers for Trump and his co-defendants said it has been “impossible” for them to secure a complete appeal bond, which would effectively require “cash reserves approaching $1 billion,” which neither the former president nor his company has.

Trump’s team has approached, without success, around 30 surety companies through four separate brokers as he seeks an appeal bond, and they have spent “countless hours negotiating with one of the largest insurance companies in the world,” according to the filing with the Appellate Division of Manhattan Supreme Court.
I thought this guy was a multi-billionaire?
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03-18-2024 , 03:11 PM
life comes at ya' fast when your entire world is based upon lies
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03-18-2024 , 03:13 PM
In assets on paper probably is .
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