i can honestly say I never saw it that way. You can deny that all you want.

I can also say once you pointed it out the way you did, I could clearly see how one could correlate those underlying tropes. You can say I would accept that 'woke' view and probably not use that cartoon going forward knowing others in a room might be as woke as you are.

I am genuinely confused though why you take such an aggressive stance to even the idea that someone else may not have seen it the same as you to start?

What is the mask? How am I telling on myself?

My commitment to color blindness is absolute. If I've reacted strongly here as a result of that then apologies.

I think the cartoon is blatantly about race and education.
I don't not believe that point is about "different aptitudes"
The cartoon makes that clear when they ask them to climb the tree. The point is that different people have different aptitudes and that standardized tests are unfair. Can we all agree that this is the point?
The only question is: do the animals represent "races" or "individuals". You all see it as individuals and I think it's blatantly racist. That's the divergence.
Am I perhaps jumping to conclusions? Maybe so. But i think they're justified. The main attack being made against standardized testing is not the claim that people are different and that the tests are therefore unfair. It's the claim that they are racist.

Are you going to elaborate here on what the mask is and how I tell on myself?
Let's hear it all. If you want to call me names then let's hear them.

The mask is you posting in bad faith and being deliberately obtuse, the telling on you self bit is you not being clever enough to actually fool anyone.

I mean that you think that you're somehow a better poster than me is hilarious but let's keep going-- what is my bad faith and how have I been deliberately obtuse?

So like this bit here where you ask me to explain everything to you like a toddler is a good example of you being obtuse. It never really pays off for you, but I guess you’re gonna keep with it.

That's a good observation minus the odious part

It's your opinion that making unsubstantiated claims and then complaining about being asked to clarify is not being deliberately obtuse?
****ing explain yourself Trolly. I can plenty. It's not hard. How am I deliberately obtuse?
When do I just refuse to answer questions here? Point out those examples.

Confused by bolded.

Am i missing something there?

Sorry...aptitudes on a individual level vs "racial aptitudes"-- the later of which is...racist by default.

And FWIW, which is probably little, I have little experience with the discussions around standardized testing so I cannot comment on that view, but i can say i have always thought standardized testing was stupid due to differences in individuals and different circumstances they come from.

That is why I very much agree with the implementation of IEP's and have spoken out in other threads why i think some form of grade leveling can and should be considered with regards to the student who is an obsessive studier with no balance and gets a 95% GPA, the person who is Captain of the Football team and gets 90% GPA and the person who comes from the hood and gets 85% GPA.

I do not think you can argue the 95% is superior and should necessarily get entry or the scholarship and weighting things may tilt the decision to an applicant in another basket.

Lol @ trolly and the cool kids thinking children are different animals/species, and that cartoon isn't about race, but know for sure when it's a white cop and black suspect...

Not only is it not (supposedly) about race, but if someone like you or me does think it's about race, then we're hypocrites.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q...=1&oi=scholart


I mean, they are "systemically racist".

I don't actually think it's very clever so I don't want to defend it but I'm pretty sure it's not meant to be racist.

Every animal has different natural abilities and only one ability is being tested for.
So while the test is fair, because the required outcome is the same for all the animals, it's only designed to allow the monkey to pass. The bird will easily get to the top and the elephant can easily reach the top with his trunk but they'll fail as they aren't able to do it the one certain way the test was designed.

That's pretty much the point.

I mean, you may see the guy at the desk as a Jewish banker but I don't think that was the intention of the cartoonist.

Who are the animals though? I mean you're just describing the cartoon. It has meaning beyond merely a rote description of what is happening-- that's the metaphorical nature of political cartoons in general.

I assumed just a regular white person. And this thread has enough racist tropes already. It doesn't need antisemetic ones.

Is this all a troll at this point?? X is racist and if you don't see it that way then you're y and btw z is not racist and if you see it that way then you're y again

You guys are nuts

I mean this issue today points to something real-- which is that different people can strongly view things as either racist/not racist depending on ideological bent. It doesn't make it all a troll.

I was trolling.

Sorry.

I mean, the only way the cartoon makes any sense is if the animals are individuals. Standardized tests show massive differences between individuals within the same racial classification, but practically no difference between average members of different races.

Dude. Each animal is chosen to be in the cartoon because it has different natural abilities. What do you mean 'who' are the animals ?

The meaning is in the context of using the cartoon as a metaphor for standardized testing.

There really isn't a racial aspect to it. But obviously we can all see what we want to see in art as it's abstract. Still, I'm pretty confident the different animals aren't representing different races.

I agree we don't need that but surely you know this thread was created to pass along racist tropes and trigger the libs ?

On this I don't think we're ever going to agree and it won't matter how much itshot or I cite that claims that standardized testing is racist, you'll just claim that the cartoonist had something else in mind.

Triggering the libs is all fine and well, but what racist tropes has itshot passed? Arguing that people should be treated equally?

Then one wonders why the claim is made that they are racist.