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03-18-2021 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
White Protestant cultural norms. It is fair to say something exists there. All cultures have norms, however often they are violated by their individual constituents.
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
White Protestant cultural norms. It is fair to say something exists there. All cultures have norms, however often they are violated by their individual constituents.
Yeah, I don't disagree, I just thought it was very clever how you got Trolly there.


The interesting thing is, CRT doesn't really talk about shared cultural norms, as in cultural norms that most racial groups share. Also whiteness which is the de facto term for white culture internalized, is entirely about domination.

it's interesting you were talking about this because I just watched this YouTube video where the British guy brought up culture. I've never heard of him previously...




I'll be interested in when a particular cultural norm becomes homogeneous, and loses its racial identity. I think CRT views shared culture norms as ascribing to whiteness, and all white or racial cultural norms are distinctly different from POC's

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 03-18-2021 at 04:13 PM.
03-18-2021 , 04:04 PM

Catholics still lag behind (some) protestants in the US.
03-18-2021 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Honest question here though: should they be expected to?
Seems like people of all races tend to enjoy having money.
03-18-2021 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Seems like people of all races tend to enjoy having money.
Your keen sociological analysis is unparalleled.
03-18-2021 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas

it's interesting you were talking about this because I just watched this YouTube video where the British guy brought up culture. I've never heard of him previously...

Lol
"I'm able to say things that the average straight white male isn't allowed to say anymore, and so I feel that I'm duty bound to stand up and say them".

Guy makes a fair point there. It's a privilege but also a responsibility.
(He then subsequently goes on to say that when he does say the things that he's not allowed to say, how he's called an uncle tom, a race traitor, and worse. So nobody is really allowed to say those things.)

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 03-18-2021 at 04:41 PM.
03-18-2021 , 04:43 PM
The idea of black people standing up for white people who are being called racists by (predominately) other white people, shows that we're definitely living in some Kafkaesque times.
03-18-2021 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
What I wonder is if it just could be true that black people are smart enough to realize that the system is bullshit, and that therefore they don't see making money as their mission in life?
You also have a cycle where black people actually are targeted in all sort of ways-- not through the attitudes of white people but through actual racist policies, which perpetuates this cycle where people like myself can look at the system and wonder 'why bother?'.
In the literature they talk about how even the children of high income black people make less money than their white peers. And that is very much the case for me. This is said to be (on aggregate of course) due to structural racism. And there could be an argument for that even in my case. 1. I see the bullshit which racism is a part of, 2. reject the white system, 3. Therefore less money. It makes sense on that level.
It's not necessarily just 1 variable putting a spin on things. People can be getting squeezed from multiple directions. I think moving was probably a really good idea on your family's part. Personally I'm not so quick to dismiss the maybe not prioritizing money thing--or at least something off in that general direction but it could also be say an attitude(basically f this society that doesn't care about us anyway) that happens to have the money thing as a side effect. It's something I've definitely heard more than once over the years and not from just black people. But that's also why I can't find too much fault with people that want to try to change things--if people don't feel like they have a stake those negative kinda sentiments aren't that big of a leap imo anyway.
03-18-2021 , 04:46 PM
“Kafkaesque” seems to be another word the YouTube crowd struggles with.
03-18-2021 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
“Kafkaesque” seems to be another word the YouTube crowd struggles with.
Care to elaborate? Have you ever read Kafka? I just read TheTrail and the The Castle (the latter of which was difficult and hard to get through), so if I'm using it wrong please enlighten me.
Also lol @ calling me "the YouTube crowd"...as if my knowledge isn't 100 x more rounded than yours.
(Which tbf to youtube, one could still achieve even from a healthy diet of it exclusively)

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 03-18-2021 at 04:55 PM.
03-18-2021 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by wet work
It's not necessarily just 1 variable putting a spin on things. People can be getting squeezed from multiple directions.....
But that's also why I can't find too much fault with people that want to try to change things--if people don't feel like they have a stake those negative kinda sentiments aren't that big of a leap imo anyway.
Obviously it's all very multifaceted. And yeah-- I'm not going to fault anyone with nothing to lose for wanting a change to the status quo.
03-18-2021 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
“Kafkaesque” seems to be another word the YouTube crowd struggles with.
I mean you really do think you're quite morally superior to me, don't you?
Could be your white privilege or it could just be that you're a gigantic douche. (I'll guess the latter). But please, enlighten me on what Kafkaesque means.

Here is what google says
Kafkaesque • \kahf-kuh-ESK\ • adjective. : of, relating to, or suggestive of Franz Kafka or his writings; especially : having a nightmarishly complex, bizarre, or illogical quality.
Does black people defending white people from charges of racism from other white people qualify or not?
03-18-2021 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
“Kafkaesque” seems to be another word the YouTube crowd struggles with.
I had a situation that felt like something out of the trial a few years ago. Lady at the dmv fked my info up somehow--but it still printed out my stuff correctly and just didn't update into the system. Pulled over practically arrested car towed with a f u walk home lol. Here's an easy panic attack--getting the letter telling you how to prepare for your imminent incarceration Thankfully it all got sorted out but even trying to explain what the hell the problem was to people was difficult. side note: always save all that dmv crap you usually throw away that made a huge difference.
03-18-2021 , 05:09 PM
Alleged consipricy to target anti-CRT folks, involving a member of a Virginian county school board thanking members for engaging in this conspiracy is not really being reported:



Seems to only be convered by a few independent sites, and only two prominent ones, Townhall, and Daily Wire.


This one seems to be the most objective:

https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/o...parents-group/

Here is Town Hall:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...-list-n2586338

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 03-18-2021 at 05:16 PM.
03-18-2021 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
The idea of black people standing up for white people who are being called racists by (predominately) other white people, shows that we're definitely living in some Kafkaesque times.
it just shows we're in a time where there are numerous ways to make a living. grifts to be had.
03-18-2021 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
it just shows we're in a time where there are numerous ways to make a living. grifts to be had.
It is your position that black people opposed to CRT are grifters?
03-18-2021 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
It is your position that black people opposed to CRT are grifters?
of course not. is your poosition that black people going on paid programs to profit off of their opposition to CRT are only in it for their feels and the good of us all?
03-18-2021 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
of course not. is your position that black people going on paid programs to profit off of their opposition to CRT are only in it for their feels and the good of us all?
Is it yours that all CRT proponents are doing the same out of love?

And if not, why make your post about CRT opponents?
I'll guess the answer is that because you're so sure of your righteousness, that you need to ascribe ill-motives to all who disagree with you.
03-18-2021 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
It is your position that black people opposed to CRT are grifters?
https://mobile.twitter.com/Conceptua...102981/photo/1

Let him say that to these folks:




CACAGNY
03-18-2021 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Is it yours that all CRT proponents are doing the same out of love?

And if not, why make your post about CRT opponents?
I'll guess the answer is that because you're so sure of your righteousness, that you need to ascribe ill-motives to all who disagree with you.
definitely not. everything is almost always about money.


however to your last point, when one side of these political debates are 0 for everything in the history of time, it sometimes becomes necessary to wonder why people continually go to bat for them.
03-18-2021 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Slighted
definitely not. everything is almost always about money.





however to your last point, when one side of these political debates are 0 for everything in the history of time, it sometimes becomes necessary to wonder why people continually go to bat for them.
What is that side?
This is the flaw in how you think, Slighted.
There are no "sides" here. That's not how debate on a topic like this works. Instead you have individuals with their own positions.
Your insistence on reducing everything to left vs right, liberal vs conservative is something that you should be embarrassed about. You should strive to have nuance in your thinking, especially about those who disagree with you, and to not always reduce people to group association and the lowest common denominator.
03-18-2021 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Is it yours that all CRT proponents are doing the same out of love?

And if not, why make your post about CRT opponents?
I'll guess the answer is that because you're so sure of your righteousness, that you need to ascribe ill-motives to all who disagree with you.
I think you missed his question there.
03-18-2021 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Let him say that to these folks:
this is just an anti-affirmative action position under a different name.

and i feel bad that this already is being used as ammunition by alt-right/white supremacist groups and news organizations to attack AA.

in fact i wouldn't be surprised to see the Anti-AA college admission people just pivot to crt because they lose the aa debate easily due to the obvious biggest problem with college admission are the ridiculous amount of white legacy and "sports" scholarships pushing the number of available spots down..
03-18-2021 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Question asked.





Question answered, and question asked.





Question ignored, new questions asked.
No I don't think that all opponents of CRT are doing so with altruistic motives?
Not too hard. Did you have anything else?
And there is no way that my response to Slighted ignores his question as is. It's called rhetoric and discussion.
03-18-2021 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
I mean you really do think you're quite morally superior to me, don't you?
I dunno. More honest, for sure.

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Could be your white privilege or it could just be that you're a gigantic douche. (I'll guess the latter). But please, enlighten me on what Kafkaesque means.
Typically, it involves someone being judged or oppressed by a giant, completely inscrutable bureaucracy. Like in Kafka's The Trial. It's not clear how some academic putting out a yootoobe would be Kafkaesque.
03-18-2021 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
No I don't think that all opponents of CRT are doing so with altruistic motives?
Not too hard. Did you have anything else?
Nope, thanks.

You're too quick for me - decided my post was a little harsh, and edited, but too late. Ah well.

      
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