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05-27-2021 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by wet work
How would the new true leftist world be different than this one? And if it isn't really different--doesn't that make you a true righty? What if we all start starving to death sitting around voting on everything?

We haven't even gotten to the drawing board and we're already back at the drawing board.
An AI planned quasi market socialist economy would be virtually indistinguishable from our current economy, at least for the bottom ~80% in terms of going to work and going to the store. Or more immediate, what would really change if owners of amzn stock gave their shares to amzn workers? In terms of functionality of the firm and the way it services the market, probably not much.
05-27-2021 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
.... who do you think embarrassed himself there?
Whoever cut the clip right when the black host started to make his gotcha point.
05-27-2021 , 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
I'm pretty sure anything that originated from western colonial Europe isn't a positive thing, because obviously that culture is the epitome of white supremacy, or so I've been told.

Unironically, potato salad originated from Germany, which I think is the birthplace of the neo-aryan race, as a modern concept. See Hitler.
LOL

German potato salad is warm and dressed in a vinaigrette.
He was associating Aryan with German and then associated German with that particular (and tasty) side dish.

Humor is hard. You're on the GI Bill though. Maybe take a class.
05-27-2021 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Of course it's different. If both the Democratic and Republican parties are both right wing parties, then it stands to reason that few actual leftists exist. Ask Victor or Rflush for their thoughts on this one. I don't see a need to get into what being an actual leftist should be for or enumerating all the differences between them and the right, it's certainly a derail even for this thread.
Plenty of leftists exist but it's a center right to extreme right country.
Always has been.

We see what happened to AOC and even Bernie. Leftists elect them. They go to DC and become a part of the system. Not the worst actors in the system but....not left at all.

I mean minimum wage and health care aren't even on the table in most other countries. It's just a given that the government does certain things. Not here though. We just pay taxes and the aristocracy spends the money on themselves. That's not left.
05-27-2021 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
LOL

German potato salad is warm and dressed in a vinaigrette.
He was associating Aryan with German and then associated German with that particular (and tasty) side dish.

Humor is hard. You're on the GI Bill though. Maybe take a class.
It's not humor. It's absurdity. American culture is a a melting pot of many different ethnic cultures, combined. I'm pretty sure LB was being sarcastic. There are not many foods, if any, that you can point at and say is distinctly white people food. Identifying a common food that all cultures have incorporated, and calling it a white cultural food is absurd. Saying that lasagna is white people food is just bizarre, it erases the ethnic origins, and acts to appropriate the centralness of white. As I said before, most progressives think white people are the center of the universe.

Further, food isn't a positive or negative characteristics of culture.

This is what makes describing white culture difficult. Most white people don't use race as part of their cultural identity other than for demographic purposes. Their tribal allegiances are more familial (Hatfield and McCoys) or ethnic-based (Irish, Polish, German, etc.). It's circumstances that lead to these demographics being white, rather than an affinity for whiteness. American culture has an affinity for ethnic food.

Those who do embrace a white culture are KKK members, neo-nazis, white nationalist.

This isn't to say there isn't a white culture. The disparately in meth usage would be an example to demostrate this, but again, it's that way because the prevalence of meth in poor white neighborhoods is what leads to the disparities. It's not like meth has some unique characteristic that makes white people attracted to it.

This leads to another criticism of whiteness and CRT. They actually think the opposite. These concepts teaches that white culture enables white supremacy, and that these cultural traits should be disallowed as oppressive. They aren't pointing to potato salad or meth. They're pointing to things like individualism, rationality. They instead want people to become race conscious, disavow these purported cultural values, and develop a positive racial identity. Someone tried this before. Hitler.

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 05-27-2021 at 09:08 AM.
05-27-2021 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by RFlushDiamonds
Plenty of leftists exist but it's a center right to extreme right country.
Always has been.

We see what happened to AOC and even Bernie. Leftists elect them. They go to DC and become a part of the system. Not the worst actors in the system but....not left at all.

I mean minimum wage and health care aren't even on the table in most other countries. It's just a given that the government does certain things. Not here though. We just pay taxes and the aristocracy spends the money on themselves. That's not left.
I think it's wild that you can't touch the job creators stacks but when it's time to update infrastructure--hey that's everyone else's responsibility to kick in and pay for it.

Last edited by wet work; 05-27-2021 at 09:10 AM.
05-27-2021 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
What do you value about whiteness? Like, I have no doubt you you can list off a whole bunch of positive stuff about whiteness, as can most "good" ayrans.
You can see his head spinning as he tries not to concede there is anything specific he 'likes' as he is concerned it might highlight some benefit that he is trying to avoid admitting does not exist.

The refusal to consider the collective experience, which is far more insightful than the individual one is one of the most common 'duck' tactics available.
05-27-2021 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Of course it's different. If both the Democratic and Republican parties are both right wing parties, then it stands to reason that few actual leftists exist. Ask Victor or Rflush for their thoughts on this one. I don't see a need to get into what being an actual leftist should be for or enumerating all the differences between them and the right, it's certainly a derail even for this thread.
If you do not want to fall into a semantic nitpick argument you have to define this better.

In terms of the US only is the democratic party on the left side of the ledger in the US if you put it on a slide scale V the republican. Yes.

In terms of Global recognition of what factors would put a Party or belief system on the 'left' is either the US Dem party or Republican party on the 'left'. Heck no. Not even close.


If you are were to create a world scale of left to right from...

Socialism <------------- Center --------------> Authoritarianism

I do not think you would find many (if any) who would put the US Dem party as a Left or even Left/Center party. Even Center (which is what I would say Canada is) would not be accurate enough for the Dem Party. It is pretty clearly center right as you break out support or lack thereof for major left/right political issues (MFA, War, Policing, Social Safety Net, War on Drugs, Interventionist/regime change, etc).

I would not dare to speak for ecriture d'adulte but I would bet my own money he would not try to make a case that the US has had a left or center/left position on the above 'planks'.

But defined solely within the US political landscape he will argue it is left as it is left of the Republicans and the US has only two parties. So thus 'left' by default.

Last edited by Cuepee; 05-27-2021 at 09:28 AM.
05-27-2021 , 09:27 AM
I would argue Canada is a Center Country with its two major parties being Center parties and as such contrasting it with the US it looks like this.


Socialism <----- NDP ----- Liberal Party|Conservative ------------Dem ----- GOP --------> Authoritarianism.

(Center line dividing Lib Party or Canada and Conservative party of Canada and there is deliberately MORE space between the Conservative party of Canada and the Dem party of the US then the Dem party and GOP, where the GOP is the pre Trump GOP)
05-27-2021 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
You can see his head spinning as he tries not to concede there is anything specific he 'likes' as he is concerned it might highlight some benefit that he is trying to avoid admitting does not exist.

The refusal to consider the collective experience, which is far more insightful than the individual one is one of the most common 'duck' tactics available.
You didn't answer the question...

I'm not surprised. I didn't think you'd want to expose yourself as a white supremacist, yet again. Answering the question tacitly acknowledges a belief and affinity for white superiority. Similarly, it has a loaded premise similar to the bigoted question "does your mom know your gay"?

If you think the premise of the question is valid, answer the question instead of crying about other people not answering it.

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 05-27-2021 at 09:38 AM.
05-27-2021 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
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Those who do embrace a white culture are KKK members, neo-nazis, white nationalist.

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Can you describe a system based on conservative ideals that wouldn't have all those^^ guys flocking to your side like old buddies?
05-27-2021 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
You didn't answer the question...

I'm not surprised. I didn't think you'd want to expose yourself as a white supremacist, yet again. Answering the question tacitly acknowledges a belief and affinity for white superiority. Similarly, it has a loaded premise similar to the bigoted question "does your mom know your gay"?

If you think the premise of the question is valid, answer the question instead of crying about other people not answering it.
I assumed that was not a serious question and more of a mocking statement (restating) of what the interviewer was asking.

Anyway I am not white, so my attempt to answer the question 'on behalf of' would be meaningless.
05-27-2021 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
It's not humor. It's absurdity. American culture is a a melting pot of many different ethnic cultures, combined. I'm pretty sure LB was being sarcastic. There are not many foods, if any, that you can point at and say is distinctly white people food. Identifying a common food that all cultures have incorporated, and calling it a white cultural food is absurd. Saying that lasagna is white people food is just bizarre, it erases the ethnic origins, and acts to appropriate the centralness of white. As I said before, most progressives think white people are the center of the universe.

Further, food isn't a positive or negative characteristics of culture.

This is what makes describing white culture difficult. Most white people don't use race as part of their cultural identity other than for demographic purposes. Their tribal allegiances are more familial (Hatfield and McCoys) or ethnic-based (Irish, Polish, German, etc.). It's circumstances that lead to these demographics being white, rather than an affinity for whiteness. American culture has an affinity for ethnic food.

Those who do embrace a white culture are KKK members, neo-nazis, white nationalist.

This isn't to say there isn't a white culture. The disparately in meth usage would be an example to demostrate this, but again, it's that way because the prevalence of meth in poor white neighborhoods is what leads to the disparities. It's not like meth has some unique characteristic that makes white people attracted to it.

This leads to another criticism of whiteness and CRT. They actually think the opposite. These concepts teaches that white culture enables white supremacy, and that these cultural traits should be disallowed as oppressive. They aren't pointing to potato salad or meth. They're pointing to things like individualism, rationality. They instead want people to become race conscious, disavow these purported cultural values, and develop a positive racial identity. Someone tried this before. Hitler.
Dude. I explained the joke to you and you still don't get it. WTF ?

Who is disavowing individualism and rationality ?

CRT is a very broad topic and I'm sure you can find someone saying anything if you look hard enough, but even the USSR in it's heyday was comprised of individuals. They may have been working for the state instead of a corporation but if they worked they got paid and if they committed crimes they went to jail.

You just like to complain that CRT is allied with Marxism on some basic level.
But that's just a talking point put out by your corporate masters. It's not like they want you to be an individual. They want you to shut up and work for them for cheap.
05-27-2021 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by wet work
I think it's wild that you can't touch the job creators stacks but when it's time to update infrastructure--hey that's everyone else's responsibility to kick in and pay for it.
Yup. And the 'left' party didn't do much about that over the past 20 years.

I mean, so what if you may die driving over a bridge. Gotta keep that bail out money flowing.
05-27-2021 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by wet work
Can you describe a system based on conservative ideals that wouldn't have all those^^ guys flocking to your side like old buddies?
You know that the KKK and neo-Nazi's hate Ben Shapiro and Milo, right?
05-27-2021 , 10:37 AM
I remember some lefties called Milo a racist and a homophobe, even though he married a Black man..
05-27-2021 , 10:42 AM
For me the best thing about being White is that there is only one Black History Month. I get the other eleven!
05-27-2021 , 11:30 AM
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Who is disavowing individualism and rationality ?
From The National Museum of African American History and Culture, part of the Smithsonian:



05-27-2021 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by harkin
From The National Museum of African American History and Culture, part of the Smithsonian:



My wife has brown hair.

No wonder I'm a lefty, I'm not even white.

Thanks bud. You solved the mystery of my life right there.
05-27-2021 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
I remember some lefties called Milo a racist and a homophobe, even though he married a Black man..
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Originally Posted by lagtight
You know that the KKK and neo-Nazi's hate Ben Shapiro and Milo, right?
*Takes a drag of a cigarette*

Milo, now that's a name I haven't heard in years
05-27-2021 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
You know that the KKK and neo-Nazi's hate Ben Shapiro and Milo, right?
Last I checked BenShapiro wasn't equivalent to all of conservative philosophy.

And he still supports them anyway. Asking yourself why that is might be a better question There is an article where he writes about some of that stuff in the NR a ways back--It's titled something like--I was Wrong

Another question--when conservatives are using the jewish/asian examples in the various ways they do--why do you think they don't also highlight that both of those groups are Heavily weighted toward the left?

Being married to someone of a particular group isn't really proof he(the milo example) doesn't have those kinda beliefs about the groups in general.

Last edited by wet work; 05-27-2021 at 01:07 PM.
05-27-2021 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by wet work
Last I checked BenShapiro wasn't equivalent to all of conservative philosophy.

And he still supports them anyway. Asking yourself why that is might be a better question There is an article where he writes about some of that stuff in the NR a ways back--It's titled something like--I was Wrong

Another question--when conservatives are using the jewish/asian examples in the various ways they do--why do you think they don't also highlight that both of those groups are Heavily weighted toward the left?

Being married to someone of a particular group isn't really proof he(the milo example) doesn't have those kinda beliefs about the groups in general.
The bolded is kinda my point. Just as there are differences among liberals, progressives, and libertarians, there are differences among conservatives. The main area of agreement among conservatives is that, as a rule, centralized government is not a wonderful thing.
05-27-2021 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by harkin
From The National Museum of African American History and Culture, part of the Smithsonian:



The Smithsonian only had that travesty you posted above for a week or two. It was deemed too stupid even for your typical progressive.
05-27-2021 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Huskalator
Good

Really looking forward to someone defending the idea that banning teaching that "one race or sex is is inherently superior to another race or sex" is bad.

EDIT: I can't stop thinking about what a CRT self own this complaint about the bill is.
Now let's see how vigorously the people who don't want any blame put on white people in a negative way focus on just that vs. something else that would fit under the same heading like Black Crime stereotypes I assume we can expect them to be equally as vigorous about fighting those stereotypes going forward as well
05-27-2021 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
*Takes a drag of a cigarette*

Milo, now that's a name I haven't heard in years
You'll be glad to hear he's trying to make a comeback. He's praying away the gay and insists him and his husband are just roommates now. And he did a hilarious video where he definitely for real threw an incredibly expensive wedding ring into the ocean and definitely didn't just pretend to and add a fake splash sound effect.

      
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