There aren't actually "inherent" advantages to being white unless you live in northerly climates but I can let that go.
But your post is all well and good-- I don't doubt that you and all liberal/left people you know are capable of thinking in terms of both race and class. No doubt every self described left person here will claim the same, and that there is no divide here.
And on 2p2 where everyone is brilliant, I'm sure there is no issue there with the posters here or with their friends or family. But out in the real real world, people are actually pretty dumb and are not capable of critical thinking. If the media tells them everything is about race or cultural issues, everything will become about those. This is how Obama is allowed to get away with being 'Drone Warrior' and how a Biden can increase militarism and still have wide support amongst people who are supposedly anti-war. People can't actually manage these opposing beliefs when buying into one set of them means supporting a system that violates the other.

Well most of what Ecriture said was hokum so hopefully my responses to him covered the things you wanted to say.

When you go around focusing on the "woke mob", you don't really see people. Neither is scouring social media for whatever takes you think are silly are very good way of judging people.

It is probably a comfortable way of viewing the world however.

Actually, I think he pointed out big holes in your knowledge regarding MLK, which rendered your analysis dubious.

I mean lol? I'm pushing back on an ideology that calls all white people oppressors and all poc victims, and your retort is that "I don't really see people" and have a comfortable way of viewing the world.
Am I allowed to insult the moderators here?

An exact quote from you is "people are actually pretty dumb".

Do you stand by his claim that I'm tarnishing MLK's legacy as well?

When it comes to disambiguating diverse narratives, I'd say that they are.

OK, how about if I reframe this to there being virtually no inherent disadvantages to being white, whereas there are for other races/colours/cultures/classes - all of those categories. And I don't mean in everything people do, but at different points in their lives, "others" (IE not middle class+ whites) face extra hurdles due solely to whatever makes them an "other". Would you take issue with that?

white privilege means that my life in America will never be made worse SPECIFICALLY because of my race/skin color, like it may be for others.

i.e. the proximate cause of some aspect in my life worsening will never be my white skin.

Critical to race theory finds disparities and attempts to explain them with narratives. It doesn't actually study racism, nor does it attempt to find it. The disparity is the racism. This main focus is equity, and the solutions for that is racial discrimination, coupled with a race conscious society.

You put yourself into the box. You do this thing where you are claiming you don't necessarily support CRT but you damn sure want to come defend it and brag about your anti-racism, but when challenged on what that actually means reject that any discussion related to what that actually means, so is not to commit yourself to anything.

You're posting history indicates you basically buy into everything CRT teaches, whether you think so or not.

It always boggles my mind when people reject that they're not true believers in critical race theory, and anti-racism, but champion the nobleness of such causes. If you buy into some of it, why hide your affiliation to it?

Like, I don't buy into everything conservatives or Republicans say, nor do I consider myself a line perfectly with conservatives or Republicans but I'd be lying to myself to say I didn't lean conservative/libertarian.

The King foundation sent a pretty scathing letter to the California board of education when they basically removed MLK and his movement from the revamped racial education they are developing

Do I need to post that Twitter thread that show what the media did after the Colorado shooting, or the Columbus shooting?

Those are real people and real media members.. you're constant need to trivialize the absolute deception that's going on in the world, revolving race in conjunction with other issues in the name of racial justice, isn't being honest. When a radical like Kendi is on CBS giving a speech, with zero critical response, there's something going on there.

You're still saying that there are "inherent" disadvantages for being a minority. Inherent means "existing in something as a permanent, essential, or characteristic attribute." So there is an issue there both semantically but also empirically, as the numbers just don't break down that way. If we're saying that minorities are inherently disadvantaged what exactly does that mean in a country where numerous immigrant groups of color are doing as well if not better than whites?
As far as whether whites are never disadvantaged for being white then sure.

Very disingenuous as usual IHIV.

Will you admit many of the ideas you express are also found within White Supremacy expressions and dogma and thus not boggle our minds why you won't just own up to your affiliation to it? You don't get to pick the lesser Conservative/Republican and then say he must own up to the more extreme CRT.

As so many have explained, you guys are looking at a huge basket of CRT claims/issues that also exist in more moderate areas and trying to say anyone who accepts any is thus a CRT supporter.

This entire thread is basically an exercise in trying to paint with that brush wrongly.

I support some progressive concepts but in no way am I a progressive.

You believe that history is a long racial struggle between different "cohorts". You definitely shouldn't sell yourself short as far as the extent of the racialized ideology that you have.

What are you arguing in the bolded?

Is it an argument that 'because Asians and other may do better than whites thus there is no inherent disadvantage in being black?'

What does the empirical evidence say about 'policing', 'banking', 'homeownership', 'jobs/hiring', 'education', 'pay gap', 'wealth' , etc, etc, etc?

I honestly do not know what you mean when all sorts of proof has been provided that blacks systemically are disadvantaged in all of those areas?

You believe and state race has never been a factor in the history of man.

You should stay out of commenting on race with that view.

No. Read what I wrote. It's an argument that there is no inherent disadvantage in being an minority.
To be sure there are also no inherent disadvantages to being black.
If we drop the use of the word 'inherent' it'll make this go easier.

Lolololol. Did I say that? This is why you can be a pain to deal with.

You start with the misrepresentation of what i said but get butthuurt when you get it back.

I learned a long time ago in forum land to fire lies with lies. If you simply try to correct then they just restate. But what i learned is the guys who are most willing to use a lie against someone else hate when it is done to them.

You will NEVER see me do that to if you do not do it first.

I mean here is you viewing it as a racial struggle but ok.

Not getting your code. Honestly. Dropping 'inherent' or not.

Being born black has both an 'inherent disadvantage' and 'disadvantage' in terms of how society functions in America today.

The only thing I can guess is that maybe you are suggesting philosophically there is no disadvantage in a bubble where society is not imposing them.

I want you to name what you disagree with that recounting of history?

Quote specifically what you think is not accurate?

There is no inherent disadvantage to being black, says the white guy from behind his computer

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