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05-16-2023 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
vaers numbers are indeed not normal. I mean look at it. skip to the last minutes if no time.

34.000 deaths on vaers. we never had anything close to these numbers.
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I think you got lost on the way to the Covid thread
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05-17-2023 , 06:17 AM
That "doctor guy" pitches that he can cure HIV, Covid and all sorts of other things with herbal medicines, so you know, whatever. Obviously people like you will consume his content, and as such you should buy his merch and potions since he did put in effort to monetize you. The "doctor guy" is not an actual respected source for anything, but he created a small scammy fake medicine business with a small social media following so good for him for that.

All the best.
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05-17-2023 , 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
cliffs:.there are too many adverse reactions. vaers data: we have a sudden peak in adverse reaction deaths in 2021 and 22. never in the history of vaers and vaccines did we have so many adverse reactions and deaths. that's all new. they downplayed it.
That's incorrect - the influenza vaccine has more adverse reactions reported in VAERS. I posted about it here:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=9431

And I suggest you read the CDC's disclaimer about interpreting VAERS data:

"VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event. A report to VAERS does not mean the vaccine caused the event."

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/en..._1616772860012
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05-17-2023 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
That's incorrect - the influenza vaccine has more adverse reactions reported in VAERS. I posted about it here:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=9431

And I suggest you read the CDC's disclaimer about interpreting VAERS data:

"VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event. A report to VAERS does not mean the vaccine caused the event."

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/en..._1616772860012
You did not read what I wrote.
And so you are comparing apples to oranges here.

I did not mean mild adverse reactions instead I/ they are focusing on averse reaction death. Vaers has about 35.000 there on covid vaccinations, and close to zero on Influenza vaccines. there is the difference.

I could almost not find any death attributed to influenza shots. and on Vaers it's basically zeros. that's what's makes it so different imo.

But I could find this interesting study.
which found no statistical difference in mortality being vaccinated against influenza.

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/170/5/650/102527
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05-17-2023 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
That "doctor guy" pitches that he can cure HIV, Covid and all sorts of other things with herbal medicines, so you know, whatever. Obviously people like you will consume his content, and as such you should buy his merch and potions since he did put in effort to monetize you. The "doctor guy" is not an actual respected source for anything, but he created a small scammy fake medicine business with a small social media following so good for him for that.

All the best.
can you show you findings?
so he isn't a doctor and is claiming to heal aids? why is he still on YouTube and not losing his medical licence?
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05-17-2023 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
You did not read what I wrote.
And so you are comparing apples to oranges here.

I did not mean mild adverse reactions instead I/ they are focusing on averse reaction death. Vaers has about 35.000 there on covid vaccinations, and close to zero on Influenza vaccines. there is the difference.

I could almost not find any death attributed to influenza shots. and on Vaers it's basically zeros. that's what's makes it so different imo.

But I could find this interesting study.
which found no statistical difference in mortality being vaccinated against influenza.

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/170/5/650/102527
I read what you wrote but apparently you didn't read what I wrote:

CDC: "VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event. A report to VAERS does not mean the vaccine caused the event."

And the entire industry jumped into action when there were a few myocarditis reports. You have to be willfully ignorant to believe the vaccine actually caused 35k deaths and the industry did nothing about it.
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05-17-2023 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
can you show you findings?
You are into spending hours consuming this nonsense, not me. You spew all of that here, and usually I ignore your sources, as most people do, but this one I thought might be entertaining and it was. As to what his "findings" were for anything, safe to say I did not look that hard, but most of the stuff he wrote was very generalized nonsensical language that is very common in the "snake oil salesperson" genre.

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Originally Posted by washoe
so he isn't a doctor and is claiming to heal aids? why is he still on YouTube and not losing his medical licence?
A quick reading of the testimonials of his Facebook shows lots of people thanking him for curing HIV, Cancer, bad breath, dry mouth, death whatever. It is no different than how Alex Jones sells junk to his derps, only much smaller scale and pretending to be a bit more legit in the process. Why people like this who sell this junk do not lose their license? Maybe some do. No idea if he is a practicing doctor or not, and in the end you can call yourself Dr. washoe if you like when pitching whatever it is you want to pitch.

In the end you are their target market. You are a very easy mark, and these people know how to create content for you to consume, and you consume it. My suggestion is since you are going to be a rabid consumer you may as well support them fully with following and purchasing their merch. In this case you can also cure HIV, bad breath, and maybe can breathe under water as a result. If you buy the stuff and try it and see it is an obvious farce you can simply move onto the next person selling you some different form of magic beans to believe in. That is your role to them.

All the best.
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05-17-2023 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
I read what you wrote but apparently you didn't read what I wrote:

CDC: "VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event. A report to VAERS does not mean the vaccine caused the event."

And the entire industry jumped into action when there were a few myocarditis reports. You have to be willfully ignorant to believe the vaccine actually caused 35k deaths and the industry did nothing about it.


you reply was about mild adverse reactions when i was clearly only talking about death related outcomes. so you clearly misread/misunderstood what I wrote and are now messing up this thread with bs lies.
the industry jumped into action?
you mean they banned (briefly) the J&J Vaccine along with the Astra one. those were all non mrna vaccines, do you realize this? how did they jump into action when myoncarditis occured? those came from mrna vaccines btw and nobody jumped into action.
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05-17-2023 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
you reply was about mild adverse reactions when i was clearly only talking about death related outcomes. so you clearly misread/misunderstood what I wrote and are now messing up this thread with bs lies.
Here's what you wrote:
"cliffs:.there are too many adverse reactions. vaers data: we have a sudden peak in adverse reaction deaths in 2021 and 22. never in the history of vaers and vaccines did we have so many adverse reactions and deaths. that's all new. they downplayed it."

You said adverse reactions and death. The VAERS database is only for adverse reactions, that's why VAERS is an acronym for "Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System". I addressed your death count claim separately.

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Originally Posted by washoe
the industry jumped into action?
you mean they banned (briefly) the J&J Vaccine along with the Astra one. those were all non mrna vaccines, do you realize this? how did they jump into action when myoncarditis occured? those came from mrna vaccines btw and nobody jumped into action.
The first reports of myocarditis triggered a worldwide, coordinated effort between the CDC and other nations plus Pfizer and Moderna to characterize the risk and adjust recommendations including dosing schedules. For example:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/me...Moulia-508.pdf

You believe 35k died from the vaccine and the industry did nothing but the first reports of non-fatal myocarditis events lead to an immediate worldwide effort to address it. Like I said, willfully ignorant.
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05-17-2023 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
watch this video.

cliffs:.there are too many adverse reactions. vaers data: we have a sudden peak in adverse reaction deaths in 2021 and 22. never in the history of vaers and vaccines did we have so many adverse reactions and deaths. that's all new. they downplayed it.


This is what I wrote. It is clearly focused on the worst reported Vaers outcome which is death.

To which you reply with nonsense, which is this, where you talk about mild adverse reactions reported to VARS from the flue shot.


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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
That's incorrect - the influenza vaccine has more adverse reactions reported in VAERS. I posted about it here:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=9431

And I suggest you read the CDC's disclaimer about interpreting VAERS data:

"VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event. A report to VAERS does not mean the vaccine caused the event."

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/en..._1616772860012

see the different subjects? you would get an f for this in school, because you missed the topic completely.


And this CDC stuff doesnt accomplish anything. People are reporting serious to deadly outcomes as an adverse reaction. You cannot simply ignore that, by giving out CDC babbel. Nobody takes the CDC serious btw, they lost much faith in the population, look at some polls. They lied and lied and lied. The CDC director who now left gets exposed for lie after lie.
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05-17-2023 , 01:23 PM
Anyway, Im not interested in a further conversation about this topic with you. Take it as you want,


VAERS number of death from Covid vaccines is about 35.000 (likely much higher)

VAERS number of death from Influenza vaccines is 0 or very close to it.

If anything you added nothing to this conversation but ignorance.
And Indians dont live in mudhuts and they travel like crazy. There is a reason why you will find Indians all around the world. you cleary are ignorant.
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05-17-2023 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
VAERS number of death from Covid vaccines is about 35.000 (likely much higher)
VAERS number of death from Influenza vaccines is 0 or very close to it.
I just ran two VAERS queries at https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html. The number of DEATH events listed for COVID-19 vaccines is 17,544 and 1,363 for influenza vaccines. So you managed to be wrong twice.

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Originally Posted by washoe
If anything you added nothing to this conversation but ignorance.
And Indians dont live in mudhuts and they travel like crazy. There is a reason why you will find Indians all around the world. you cleary are ignorant.
65% of India's population is rural and they live in mud homes called Kutcha Houses:

https://timesproperty.com/news/post/...house-blid2045

They are highly impoverished and barely have enough money for basic necessities let alone travel. The reasons you see Indians all around the world is because there are approximately 32 million of them living outside of India. There are 1.4 billion Indians living in India, the place we were actually discussing.

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Originally Posted by washoe
And this CDC stuff doesnt accomplish anything. People are reporting serious to deadly outcomes as an adverse reaction. You cannot simply ignore that, by giving out CDC babbel. Nobody takes the CDC serious btw, they lost much faith in the population, look at some polls. They lied and lied and lied. The CDC director who now left gets exposed for lie after lie.
Apparently you take it seriously, since the VAERS data you keep quoting is from the CDC's own database. Why have you chosen to believe their lies?

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Originally Posted by washoe
Anyway, Im not interested in a further conversation about this topic with you
Wise decision, when you're in a hole it's best to stop digging.
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05-17-2023 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
I just ran two VAERS queries at https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html. The number of DEATH events listed for COVID-19 vaccines is 17,544 and 1,363 for influenza vaccines. So you managed to be wrong twice.
You did it wrong then. All these doctors are coming up with 35000
and you only with half. why? You cant navigate the VAERS page...



read this: http://www.truenorthreports.com/scie...orted-on-vaers


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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
65% of India's population is rural and they live in mud homes called Kutcha Houses:

https://timesproperty.com/news/post/...house-blid2045
where does it say 65%? most houses are made of cement, clay bricks, etc. you have no clue and neither does this article imo.
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05-17-2023 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
Wise decision, when you're in a hole it's best to stop digging.

lmao


look whos talking, you managed to get everything wrong here.
about 65% of Indians live in rural areas, that doesnt mean they all live in mudhuts. that is racist incorrect nonsense.
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05-17-2023 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
You did it wrong then. All these doctors are coming up with 35000
and you only with half. why? You cant navigate the VAERS page...

read this: http://www.truenorthreports.com/scie...orted-on-vaers
Are you incapable of doing even rudimentary research on your own? The data I got was from the database itself. You can do the same. Stop relying on others to think for you.

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Originally Posted by washoe
where does it say 65%? most houses are made of cement, clay bricks, etc. you have no clue and neither does this article imo.
Google is your friend.

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/Ind...ation_percent/
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05-17-2023 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
lmao


look whos talking, you managed to get everything wrong here.
about 65% of Indians live in rural areas, that doesnt mean they all live in mudhuts. that is racist incorrect nonsense.
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

This is a typical rural construction found throughout India, except in the high rainfall areas in the northeastern part of the country. It is a single-family house, mainly occupied by the poorer segment of the population. The main load-bearing system consists of mud walls, which carry the roof load. In some cases wooden posts are provided at the wall corners and at intermediate locations. The wooden posts and walls are not structurally integrated, and therefore the loads are shared by the walls and the frame.

https://www.world-housing.net/wp-con...e-report23.pdf
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05-17-2023 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
Are you incapable of doing even rudimentary research on your own? The data I got was from the database itself. You can do the same. Stop relying on others to think for you.



Google is your friend.

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/Ind...ation_percent/
I don't have time to mess up this research. it was already done by countless of doctors, virologists etc. to not believe them and to believe in your own faulty research would be dumb imo.

yeah but all of these 65% living in mudhuts is not mentioned anywhere and you completely made that up yourself. nice fantasy though.

how many Americans live in rural areas? Chinese? do they all live in mud huts?

edit: these buildings do exist in all third countries. I question that 65% of the population lives in them though. you can't find that on Google anywhere. show us the data!

Last edited by washoe; 05-17-2023 at 03:13 PM.
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05-17-2023 , 03:08 PM
You post videos of doctors that sell fake potions to cure HIV, Covid and everything else, so that is probably why your posts are treated as they are by every other human. Your track record is what it is and even the other extreme conspiracy peopel kind of avoid directly talking about your posts which aint a good sign. Just saying. Now, if you introduce Lizard People - well, that will change things!

All the best.
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05-17-2023 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
You post videos of doctors that sell fake potions to cure HIV,

You will need to back up your absurd claims if you make them.


What doctor claims that? He would lose his license so dont even try backing it up bc its impossible. Just apologize and be grateful that I didnt just write cite or ban.
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05-17-2023 , 04:02 PM
I already told you where to find the comments from his happy customers. In the end as I said not even the other mega conspiracy people acknowledge you or your variety of silly theories. That should be a much bigger red flag to your approach than sane people questioning your latest silly beliefs. If other mega conspiracy people pretend not to see you and what you post then what does that tell you? Have you ever had another poster say you made a good point with one of your hundreds of YouTube spams?

I would also suggest that you are the last poster here that should try to get into a cite or ban contest given some of the theories you post, and your history of forced breaks here, but that choice is up to you. You are of course welcome to report any post you like for any reason, and if you think the herbal stuff the guy peddles works then buy it. No impact on me how you spend your money with these cons.

All the best.
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05-17-2023 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

This is a typical rural construction found throughout India, except in the high rainfall areas in the northeastern part of the country. It is a single-family house, mainly occupied by the poorer segment of the population. The main load-bearing system consists of mud walls, which carry the roof load. In some cases wooden posts are provided at the wall corners and at intermediate locations. The wooden posts and walls are not structurally integrated, and therefore the loads are shared by the walls and the frame.

https://www.world-housing.net/wp-con...e-report23.pdf

you know what, I give you that one if it makes you happy.
I cant find any source for this but it is in the realm of possibilites.

focus on the VAERS numbers. Surely you made a mistake there.
I mean its your word against 100s of experts.
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05-17-2023 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
you know what, I give you that one if it makes you happy.
I cant find any source for this but it is in the realm of possibilites.

focus on the VAERS numbers. Surely you made a mistake there.
I mean its your word against 100s of experts.
It took me literally 30 seconds each to run the death report count for the COVID-19 and influenza vaccines using the actual VAERS online database.

Become your own expert rather than relying on others.
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05-21-2023 , 12:30 PM


Pretty great montage here of covid fear mongering.
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05-21-2023 , 03:07 PM
Remember Sean Penn?





Last edited by washoe; 05-21-2023 at 03:13 PM.
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05-21-2023 , 03:16 PM
If you cannot trust a very, very derpy Twitter account with no followers (that has the merch it pitched up front in ALL CAPS) or an out of context post about what an actor said years ago than who can you trust! A broken clock is right twice a day, yet extreme anti-vaxx conspiracy folk never seem to be able to provide a reasonable source, even by pure chance!

All the best.
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