I just don't know why many assume it's due to vaccines when covid itself has proven to be more than capable of weakening our immune system. I'm not saying we should rule out vaccine side-effects in the blink of an eye, but covid leaving us more vulnerable to other pathogens, as well as a myriad of symptoms that may appear months or maybe even years after the initial infection seems like a way more compelling explanation for the ongoing trend. I understand that most people know that some deaths were actually caused by vaccines, but after so many studies isn't it obvious that each infection comes with a price?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00846-2#Sec3

Basically, "excess deaths" is a very complex issue that needs a lot more study to get to the bottom of, but that won't stop people with preconceived ideas from using it to support their beliefs.

And that's not to say that there haven't been some deaths caused by vaccines as well as by Covid measures; of course there were. 100x as many as lives saved? Big LOL from me until I see something decent to support that notion. Of course one doesn't need ironclad evidence to make a guess, but that doesn't excuse throwing out extreme guesses if they're based on pretty much nothing; I don't know if that was the case with Peterson, but I have my suspicions.

Is this actually true or it is the vaccines that are weakening it?

What percentage of the people who get "long covid" are unvaccinated?

And the follow up question is why long covid? Are there other respiratory viruses that can....go long?

Pretty much.

"Fairness" isn't the issue here. Every country can decide their own policies. Nothing unfair about that in my opinion.

It's interesting that it's the GOP-- who are traditionally thought of as trying to to make it harder for people to enter the US that are in this case trying to make it easier for people whereas it's the Democrats that are fighting to keep it harder.

The GOP are generally fine with people coming to America legally. Unlike the Demoncrats, they tend to frown upon massive illegal immigration, though.

disclosure: I am not a member of any political party.

According to the largest study which is lol imo being vaccinated only reduces your chances of getting long Covid by 15%.

"Vaccination against SARS-CoV-2 lowers the risk of long COVID after infection by only about 15%, according to a study of more than 13 million people1. That’s the largest cohort that has yet been used to examine how much vaccines protect against the condition, but it is unlikely to end the uncertainty."

Why is long covid? Idk, but according to the study imo it has nothing to do with being vaccinated, so it must be the virus itself that has long term effects.

"Long COVID — illness that persists for weeks or months after infection with SARS-CoV-2 — has proved difficult to study, not least because the array of symptoms makes it hard to define. Even finding out how common it is has been challenging. Some studies2,3 have suggested that it occurs in as many as 30% of people infected with the virus. But a November study4 of about 4.5 million people treated at US Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) hospitals suggests that the number is 7% overall and lower than that for those who were not hospitalized."

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01453-0

Yeeah! You know what? that is interesting and why is that?


Under GOP rule, so under Donnie all the bs restirictions and mandates wouldnt have taken place and germans could fly into the US now no vaccines/ no problem, just as it is US can fly to the Germany no Vaccines/ no problems.

And what is correct now and established? The lockdowns were wrong! At least a lot of them if nor all. So Donnie was right, the Reps/GOP were right about that. The dems ****ed it all up and why? a lot of them were filling their pockets thats all I know and played super important.

lol, no they're not.

Complex issue? What is complex issue here bobo?
The only thing complex or rather perplexing are the reports about overcounting covid death imo. How do you explain this? Why did hospitals get told to overcount? And what are we supposed to believe now if they obviously rig the numbers in front of us?

example:

"For the past two and a half years, U.S. hospitals have routinely screened newly admitted patients for SARS-CoV-2 infection. Hospitals report every SARS-CoV-2 positive patient who dies in the hospital as a COVID-19-related death. "

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthca...-death-counts/

Um...what isn't complex about it? Medical experts don't appear to be certain about the cause of these excess deaths, and there is undoubtedly some disagreement about exactly how many excess deaths there are - sounds like a complex situation to me.

Meanwhile, it seems like you've done your usual thing where you just skip on past issues and questions you don't have answers for:

Yea I can share that.

He estimates that by looking at the things he sees.

And what does he see? He sees people damaged by the vaccines, he seens people damaged by lockdowns, he sees people damaged by a lot of things due to covid, but it isnt covid itself, its the resctrictions of other things. And he doesnt see covid deaths, what he sees is cognitive dissonance they call it now or idk, mass pysochosis, mass not getting it and overreacting. You know what they are saying now, bobo? Pay attention to what the other camp is telling you if you dont know imo.


And what he does isnt bad there imo. he puts things in perspectice so we can analize the things more proper.

And you dont have an answer to this either. you still havent told me why they are overcounting covid deaths, as some exapmples show. A director of nursing homes told us that they were told to overcount covid deaths, bobo, why is that? imo its a business thats why.

Pfizer knew about adverse reactions of the vaccine but decited not to disclose it. If Im not mistaking we have a new problem here which is
female pfertility, which is getting apparently damaged by the mrna vaccines. And it only affects younger patients who were otherwise not threatened by covid itself.





New developments at Projet Veritas:

Now they are talking about female pfertilitly, doctors here talking about their patients who lost pfertilitiy.
It was known to pfizer but not disclosed. There are about 15 people in this conversation and quite a few doctors with real patient stories and it lasts about 2.5 hours.


"NEW: Project Veritas x Pfizer #Pfertility BOMBSHELL"

So, he's made a guess, that you support, based on nothing more than anecdotes and observations. A guess that results in some rather outlandish numbers (Over 2 million people died of Covid in Europe, but just 30,000 saved, and that's using numbers that are extremely generous to Peterson's case), as I outlined in my previous post. OK then.

"I still haven't told you", you say, as if that is a question that you've asked me numerous times, or is something we've talked about before. It's actually a question you decided to ask me out of the blue, for what reason I don't know. But I haven't concerned myself a whole lot with reports of overcounting Covid deaths, other than I know there was a lot of misinformation about this early on in the pandemic. To be honest, I thought it might have been a rhetorical question, since the article you linked already explains some of it for you:

We've known since this started that different countries, and different jurisdictions within those countries, have counted Covid deaths differently. This isn't anything new.

Bobo, can we talk about something else first?
I dont want to talk about somehing that I cant verfy but rather want
to talk about what we know. What about reproductive damage done as side effect of the vaccines. How many women do you know or heard of with menstrual problems from the vaccines?

Some people want the mrna vaccine withdrawn, listen to the talk at project veritas. I would agree with that, there are too many adverse reactions and any other med would have been withdrawn by now if it wasnt a covid vaccine, right?

Real talk: we just do not understand nearly enough about mrna vaccines. There are more adverse reactions than was told to us.
From miscarriages, to myocarditis, to menstrual problems to long covid. We understand nothing, other that we dont understand and can foresee other effects. spike proteins are found in testacles and brains, and ovaries, places where they shouldnt be. We dont know for how long the spike proteing persists in our bodies because we didnt study it. Thats why normally it takes so long to make a vaccine. mrna vaccines got artificially hyped up when they shouldnt have been imo. there were other and safer alternatives.

6 -12 month ago we were talking about mandates for children and now we are talking about it being an unnecessary risk for younger people.

ya but it was to be expected no? vaccine is amazing that it was done in ****in legit no time, like what 3-5 months to develop? that's insane and a testament to modern science.

bit ofc with that speed sadly there was always gonna be hiccups, just hope the side effects arent mega serious

The whole thing is actually pretty insane now that I know a bit about it.

They basically have turned the body into a spike protein factory with no clue what the end result would be and mandated that everyone take it.

There doesn't need to be a "first"; since it seems you're still believing in that guess despite the absurd numbers it results in, there's not a lot more to say about that. So, sure. We can just move on.

Zero.

That doesn't mean there aren't any, of course. Just that I don't know of any.

Why? As far as I know, there's no evidence that the adverse affects outweigh the benefits of the vaccine. I don't expect they'd withdraw any vaccine just because a bunch of people on Twitter tell scary stories, or based on a self-reporting database. That's not to say that adverse reactions shouldn't continue to be monitored, of course.

It kind of brings me back to the earlier question you asked me in this post. Why would it matter how many people I knew with menstrual problems from the vaccines? Whether I know of 0, or 10, or 100, it really doesn't change anything on its own. Just like a long list of anecdotes on their own mean nothing to most of us, but they seem to matter a great deal to you.

If there was evidence of this do you think you'd hear about it from anywhere outside of this thread?

They have crunched the numbers fwiw.

Nah. Big pharma is colluding with Biden, so he's sending up fake surveillance balloons in both the US and South America to distract us, obviously.

Can you answer seriously?

Why? You already know my answer, so why don't we just skip ahead to whatever your real point is.