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12-01-2022 , 02:54 PM
Calling protests some sort of foreign subversion is an old trick used by governments everywhere.
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12-01-2022 , 02:54 PM
I would say the term foreign subversion is a bit of a hyperbole, but (and I rarely say this) I generally agree with the concepts of Cuepee's post. This little trucker thing got viral in the US derp media and the bulk of the money being sent in was from the US to it. While I would not call that an attempted coup or "foreign subversion" it certainly was an issue and a huge amount of the money collected for the truckers never got to the truckers. Some people here tossed money in those Gofundme style things just as a way to extend their middle finger and they did not even care if the money was stolen. Why wouldn't people grift super hard in that scenario when you had such willing derps? The amount of per capita grift and fraud that happened around this trucker's protest would be way way above whatever fraud happened (again, per capita) in BLM.


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What makes you think this? Genuinely curious..

I'm pretty sure I've never advocated for much of anything that could be construed as authoritarian so I'm wondering where this is coming from.
My interactions with a lot of conspiracyderps just like you. A huge bulk of them believe they know better ways to run things if given the chance, even though they are completely unqualified to do just that. I also saw the effect in person at the 99% protests (which was a cause I supported) where the fringiest fringies did all they could to have as much of the agenda be about their personalized derp. I also have seen it with many of the non profits I have worked with or tried to work with when the fringy element finally gets to take over and do things the way they believe is right. Nearly always ends up being a mess. Does this mean every single derp craves power? Nah, but a lot of them like you do, and for the most part it is better when they never get what they want and can remain on the sidelines discovering all the secrets they think exist about the people who are in charge.

All the best.

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12-01-2022 , 03:11 PM
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My interactions with a lot of conspiracyderps just like you. A huge bulk of them believe they know better ways to run things if given the chance, even though they are completely unqualified to do just that. I also saw the effect in person at the 99% protests (which was a cause I supported) where the fringiest fringies did all they could to have as much of the agenda be about their personalized derp. I also have seen it with many of the non profits I have worked with or tried to work with when the fringy element finally gets to take over and do things the way they believe is right. Nearly always ends up being a mess. Does this mean every single derp craves power? Nah, but a lot of them like you do, and for the most part it is better when they never get what they want and can remain on the sidelines discovering all the secrets they think exist about the people who are in charge.

All the best.
We had this discussion recently between me and Chillrob when he said he would not accept the job of emperor of the world and I said it would be immoral to decline it, as that would be more or less an endorsement of the status quo, so you're not completely wrong in that I'm fine embracing utilitarianism , some sort of Rawlsian approach, or even Plato's philosopher-king if that produced better results than we have currently.

I.e., I'm fine with pragmatic approaches.
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12-01-2022 , 03:20 PM
The problem is that what you think is "pragmatic" is likely a complete mess in reality. Many of the fringies I spoke to said pretty much what you said in that post with their own usage of fancy words to try to establish some credentials for themselves, but all of them would fail the Mike Tyson test of everyone has a game plan until they get punched in the face.

I am not familiar with your chat with that other poster, but not everyone should accept the job even if offered. People like you are much more willing to accept it (with your rationalization running at full speed) even though it usually ends up being a failure. Less fringy people will often times pass on the offer if they feel they are not qualified, so it seems like in the end we both agree with what I originally said on this (not saying this as a "victory," rather it is pretty much common sense).
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12-01-2022 , 03:25 PM
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The problem is that what you think is "pragmatic" is likely a complete mess in reality. Many of the fringies I spoke to said pretty much what you said in that post with their own usage of fancy words to try to establish some credentials for themselves, but all of them would fail the Mike Tyson test of everyone has a game plan until they get punched in the face.

I am not familiar with your chat with that other poster, but not everyone should accept the job even if offered. People like you are much more willing to accept it (with your rationalization running at full speed) even though it usually ends up being a failure. Less fringy people will often times pass on the offer if they feel they are not qualified, so it seems like in the end we both agree with what I originally said on this (not saying this as a "victory," rather it is pretty much common sense).
If it were offered to other people I'd be fine declining but if the choices are 1) take over vs 2) status quo then yes I would choose running things.
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12-01-2022 , 03:31 PM
Of course you would. That is what I originally said that people like you are much more willing to take over if offered, despite being totally unqualified for the job. Fortunately that situation rarely happens in anything that matters.
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12-01-2022 , 03:34 PM
Who are the people qualified to run the world, I wonder....

Ultimately I would rather have someone in charge with good intentions than anything else and hope they learn on the job.
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12-01-2022 , 03:46 PM
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Who are the people qualified to run the world, I wonder....
Not you. Seriously, not you or anyone like you. Do your sarcastic wonder thing all you like, but seriously it is not you or anyone like you.

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Ultimately I would rather have someone in charge with good intentions than anything else and hope they learn on the job.
I expect your definition of "good intentions" is not one that everyone shares. Don't forget - you were the one that did not care in the slightest if you infected others with Covid. To you everything you think and say makes sense, but in reality it represents a very fringy derpy way of thinking and I have rarely seen any organization of any size thrive with that type of leadership. Even in the online poker industry we saw a company started by riggies for riggies (Real Deal Poker) fail in the first week when it was nearly impossible for any company to fail at that stage in the industry.

Anyway, do your thing and toss in some snark that avoids my point like sarcastically suggesting someone else should lead that you think is incompetent. Derps gotta derp in the end.
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12-01-2022 , 05:11 PM
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OK Lucky, tell me a country where someone in leadership has never seized a person's property or put a person in prison.

Also, how about you answer this - do you agree with Lozen's whatabout that Canada in doing what it did with the truckers ( temp locked some people up/ tempfroze bank account) is comparable with how the Chinese government has behaved in this area in the past with dissidents? Do you agree with him that this makes the "authoritarian leadership of Justin Trudeau" as he put it as equivalent? Yes or no. I of course ask that not expecting you to answer. I never ask derps questions expecting actual direct answers.

All the best.
I have never said it was equal to what has been done in the past for dissidents. You keep making stuff up.
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12-01-2022 , 05:38 PM
You do your whatabout / imply two very different things are similar to suit your agenda all the time. Here are a few things you said recently

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Both are very Authoritarian.
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The Chinese government in way compares to Canada's government overall even under the authoritarian leadership of Justin Trudeau
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Nope I actually came up with that whataboutism on my own and comparing the truckers to BLM isnt fair the truckers never destroyed billions of $ of property or killed anyone

That is how you do your little shtick. You toss in some nonsense line to pretend you are being balanced but then you always present a "look at these two things" whatabout scenario, usually with two things that are nowhere close to each other in scale or significance. You do that to serve your derpy agenda and I understand why as that is the same approach the outlets that create content for people like you use all the time when they tell you things you want to hear. Hard for me to say they are doing anything wrong from a business perspective as that approach clearly works.

All the best.
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12-01-2022 , 07:23 PM
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You do your whatabout / imply two very different things are similar to suit your agenda all the time. Here are a few things you said recently








That is how you do your little shtick. You toss in some nonsense line to pretend you are being balanced but then you always present a "look at these two things" whatabout scenario, usually with two things that are nowhere close to each other in scale or significance. You do that to serve your derpy agenda and I understand why as that is the same approach the outlets that create content for people like you use all the time when they tell you things you want to hear. Hard for me to say they are doing anything wrong from a business perspective as that approach clearly works.

All the best.
I guess we will see if the commission agrees on the invoking of the Emergencies Act.

Bottom line even if the truckers won they still could not cross into the USA as Biden had a vaccine mandate

And as much as I agree Donald Trump is corrupt Justin Trudeau is not that far behind him

Merry Christmas
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12-01-2022 , 07:46 PM
It will not matter what the commission says with regard to your beliefs.

Many of the truckers were from the USA.

Pretty sure very few will agree with your comparison on corruption between those two in the real world, but I am disappointed Hunter did not make that whatabout comparison as he has in the past with you!

Happy holidays!

All the best.
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12-01-2022 , 09:15 PM
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It will not matter what the commission says with regard to your beliefs.

Many of the truckers were from the USA.

Pretty sure very few will agree with your comparison on corruption between those two in the real world, but I am disappointed Hunter did not make that whatabout comparison as he has in the past with you!

Happy holidays!

All the best.
Truckers from the USA another lie of yours
No proof of course you never have any
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12-01-2022 , 09:21 PM
Heh, yeah that event was 100% Canadian in every element, especially the funding. Canadians really love the confederate flag!

Keep us updated with your alt-right derp "news" you consume on a regular basis mixed in with your special sauce of whatabouts, and remember - as long as you toss in a throwaway "Trump was kind of a crook" at the start you can then add a but and put in whatever your derpy Trudeau/libs/Biden/whatever agenda concern is for the day after. You know, because that way it is a balanced statement.

All the best.
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12-01-2022 , 09:39 PM
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Canadian in every element, especially the funding. Canadians really love the confederate flag!
How many confederate flags were there and what are the chances that the Canadian government keeps a few of them them on hand for just such a situation such as occured?

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12-01-2022 , 09:41 PM
Yeah, no doubt the Canadian government secretly keeps a stash of them just for this situation to create a bit of a false flag situation! See what I did there? Avril Lavigne would be proud in this neighborhood.

All the best.
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12-01-2022 , 10:04 PM
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Yeah, no doubt the Canadian government secretly keeps a stash of them just for this situation to create a bit of a false flag situation! See what I did there? Avril Lavigne would be proud in this neighborhood.

All the best.
I'm sure they can whip some up pretty quickly with a CNC machine these days when needed or just get them shipped from Georgia.
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12-02-2022 , 03:01 AM
For people that live under the Chinese approach, participation in this discussion would be illegal and potentially very dangerous if caught.
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12-02-2022 , 03:40 AM
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How many confederate flags were there and what are the chances that the Canadian government keeps a few of them them on hand for just such a situation such as occured?
I'd guess roughly 0%
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12-02-2022 , 04:34 AM
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Thanks! So while it's still a pretty big stretch to get from washoe's post to this example, that's not all that important as he of course has given up on backing up his point, and I will grant you that there are at least similarities.

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Both Blockades at the Ambassador bridge and Coutts Alberta were cleared up prior to Justin Trudeau invoking the emergencies act.

The hypocrisy is that Justin Trudeau said " If you join the protest because your tired of covid, you now need to understand you are breaking the law. Yet he recently said Everyone in China should be allowed to protest. We will continue to ensure that China we will stand for human rights and with people that are expressing themselves.

I would say standing behind people that wave swastikas is calling them nazis?
That seems like a pretty silly example of hypocrisy. I think criticism of the use of the emergencies act is quite reasonable, but using Trudeau's 'we stand with the protesters in China' (not an exact quote) message as a sign of hypocrisy is a stretch.

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How many confederate flags were there and what are the chances that the Canadian government keeps a few of them them on hand for just such a situation such as occured?
Probably just 1 or 2, and the chances of that are about LOL%.
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12-09-2022 , 01:54 PM
Children are now prone to infections since their immune systems got weakened by lockdowns. well played!





"Could 'TRIPLE infections' sweep Britain this winter? Experts warn pandemic lockdowns have left society vulnerable to flu and other common seasonal illnesses striking at same time as Covid

  • Concerns came amid a reports of American children catching multiple viruses
  • Some experts attributed this rise to Covid restrictions wearing down immunity
  • Now UK scientists say similar triple infections could hit some Britons this winter"





https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...erts-warn.html
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12-09-2022 , 02:01 PM
fast forward 6 month and it did happen.


children now bear the consequences of lockdowns once again,
as they are getting sick left and right; so not only had the lockdowns a devestating effect on childrens mental health also on their systems. studies are in the making. and they are not looking good.


"Germany: RSV infection wave overloads children's hospitals

12/02/2022December 2, 2022
Emergency doctors in Germany say the pediatric intensive care system is close to collapse. With COVID-19 restrictions largely eased, rates of a common but potentially fatal childhood disease have soared."
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-rsv-in...als/a-63963430

experts say that is due to weak systems due to lockdowns...


lmao
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12-09-2022 , 02:03 PM

Germany: Dramatic Situation at Children's Hospitals due to ...

https://berlinspectator.com › germa...

·— Because the Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV) is spreading, more and more children's hospitals in Germany are overburdened.
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12-09-2022 , 02:15 PM
"Covid: The devastating toll of the pandemic on children"

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55863841
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12-10-2022 , 12:00 PM
The triple threat is brutal here in Canada as well
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