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01-10-2022 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
We essentially need antibodies, not vaccination.
This is a headline that not even The Onion can come up with.
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01-10-2022 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
You know that trump is considered far right and she far left, right?
Thank you. I'm aware.
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01-10-2022 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Thats what im saying. We essentially need antibodies, not vaccination. Vaccinations are only good for the vulnerable.

The virus will get stronger and stronger, and it will grow into something completely uncontrollable with this approach. The only one that's laughing are the ones selling this stuff eventually. We are basically making mutants, which nobody will have natual antibodies for.
I'm not really sure I understand what your saying here because your contradicting yourself. I agree that we need antibodies. The problem is here that society as it stands can't naturally fight this virus and results in death. So we develop a vaccine to combat and minimise death and casualty. The band wagon comment here of supply and demand of the vaccine companies making money from this is ridiculous. Of course they are , they provide a product and it serves a purpose.
If people were dying "naturally fighting off the variety with their antibodies" there would be no need for a vaccine because our bodies can simply fight it off. The fact there are people young getting this virus and are able to fight it off. Yes there are people with pre existing conditions that die from covid. The issue is here that regardless of how weak or strong your immune system is you may pass it to someone with a pre existing condition that will intact die from covid.
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01-10-2022 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Thats what im saying. We essentially need antibodies, not vaccination. Vaccinations are only good for the vulnerable.

The virus will get stronger and stronger, and it will grow into something completely uncontrollable with this approach. The only one that's laughing are the ones selling this stuff eventually. We are basically making mutants, which nobody will have natual antibodies for.
What in the world are you talking about? Viruses mutate with or without vaccines. And it is most certainly not the case that viruses inevitably mutate in the direction of becoming more dangerous.
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01-10-2022 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
What does your brother advice?
Get vaxxed everyone?

Now that it's so transmissible makes me sceptical, what's next? So everyone had it and Then? Sleepercells? The virus is waiting for the vaccine to wear off or what?

I mean this time is different, we didn't have a vaccine with covid-1. They were basically stuck to wearing masks an being careful. We have a vaxx now? But what good is it really? Does it make the virus stronger? Those should be the questions imo.
Yes the hospital system advises to get vaxed. Why? Because even though you might not get severely sick you might infect someone that has a preexisting condition or may be elderly that does not have the immune system to fight it off. We are not In the caveman times where it is survival of the fittest.
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01-11-2022 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
What in the world are you talking about? Viruses mutate with or without vaccines. And it is most certainly not the case that viruses inevitably mutate in the direction of becoming more dangerous.
That's not what they say rococo, there have been studies that argue exactly what I told you. A virus is finding a way around the vaccination and gets more potent. Don't ask me how. Google.

https://fight4usanews.wordpress.com/...irus-stronger/
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01-11-2022 , 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaimeallan
Yes the hospital system advises to get vaxed. Why? Because even though you might not get severely sick you might infect someone that has a preexisting condition or may be elderly that does not have the immune system to fight it off. We are not In the caveman times where it is survival of the fittest.
Not a good point bc I can spread vaxxed or unvaxxed imo. Right?
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01-11-2022 , 12:13 AM
The issue with washoe is that at some point he's come up with the idea that vaccines are bad. Maybe it's because he doesn't want to take them and so this is a way to justify this decision, maybe it's something that fits in with other alternative health beliefs he's taken on, perhaps he thinks that the cleverest people are those who go against the grain. Whatever the reason is, once he's taken on a position like this, he goes out looking for opinions to back him up - and of course with modern social media, there's always someone who will back up almost any position.

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Originally Posted by Rococo
And it is most certainly not the case that viruses inevitably mutate in the direction of becoming more dangerous.
We can only hope that such a thing will happen with Covid. Some less deadly strain to take over after Delta and become the dominant one. We could call it...Omicron.

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Originally Posted by washoe
That's not what they say rococo, there have been studies that argue exactly what I told you. A virus is finding a way around the vaccination and gets more potent. Don't ask me how. Google.

https://fight4usanews.wordpress.com/...irus-stronger/
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Originally Posted by washoe
Not a good point bc I can spread vaxxed or unvaxxed imo. Right?
JFC. Well, at least he's consistent.

washoe, it's probably time to put the keyboard aside for a while. Go to bed, go out for a walk...do something to clear your head.

Last edited by Bobo Fett; 01-11-2022 at 12:21 AM.
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01-11-2022 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Not a good point bc I can spread vaxxed or unvaxxed imo. Right?
What does this comment have to do with the price of eggs?
Yes you can spread it vaxxed and unvaxed. The severity of it when you test positive relies on whether you have a strong or weak defence against it. A person that is unvaxed will have a weak defence against it. I am not sure Wether your trolling or you are just against the topic and find obserd reasoning to justify your morals or thoughts. Either way hopefully you learn something.
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01-11-2022 , 12:36 AM
I wasn't going to bother responding to this nonsense, but what the hell...

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Originally Posted by washoe
That's not what they say rococo, there have been studies that argue exactly what I told you. A virus is finding a way around the vaccination and gets more potent. Don't ask me how. Google.

https://fight4usanews.wordpress.com/...irus-stronger/
Perhaps you're the one who should be Googling, so that you would know enough about something to be able to explain it, before going off with half-cocked theories of your own.

My understanding is that ADE is a result of the virus merging/mutating with antibodies that don't succeed in killing it. Now, stop and think about that for a moment. Would it not make sense that this could happen with vaccines OR natural immune response? And which one do you think we might have more control over?

Shockingly (not really), scientists are aware of ADE, and when they create vaccines, they try to find ways to minimize the possibility.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special...clusives/91648

And while there can be strains that become more deadly, my understanding is that they don't usually win out. One of the simplest explanations of why (and this doesn't tell the whole story) is that dead people don't spread the virus very well.

Now of course, I'm no medical expert, or anything close to one. I would be happy to have anything corrected that I got wrong. But I do try to stick with sources that appear to be reputable and have some actual scientific basis, something you might want to incorporate into future research.

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Originally Posted by washoe
Not a good point bc I can spread vaxxed or unvaxxed imo. Right?
Who do you think is more likely to be infected by Covid, and thus spread it?
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01-11-2022 , 12:52 AM
Yeah ok guys. U made some good points I must admit.
Gg. Bobo, pls click my last link. There are scientific studies. Let's hope you're right and omicron is the last strain or the direction it's taken is milder now. I sure hope so. Good night all.
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01-11-2022 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by washoe
Bobo, pls click my last link.
I did.

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Originally Posted by washoe
Let's hope you're right and omicron is the last strain or the direction it's taken is milder now. I sure hope so.
Agreed.

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Good night all.
And to you as well.
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01-11-2022 , 01:20 AM
Omicron won't be the last strain for all you wishful thinking out there
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01-11-2022 , 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
Omicron won't be the last strain for all you wishful thinking out there
Probably not. Hopefully the last major one, but I've learned by now to assume...pretty much nothing about this virus.
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01-11-2022 , 04:31 AM
Us senator on weird corona politics. Is this fake?






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01-11-2022 , 06:22 AM
Is what fake? Rand Paul being a covidiot? That's real, and has been posted about many times.
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01-11-2022 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
Omicron won't be the last strain for all you wishful thinking out there
Of course not. COVID will be around for the rest of our lives. That is almost a 100% certainty. Additional variants also are almost a 100% certainty.

None of that makes washoe's childlike understanding of virology correct. Viruses of course can mutate to become more lethal. The Spanish Flu was a real thing. But with or without vaccines, mutation in the direction of increased lethality is hardly inevitable. It is more common for viruses to mutate in the direction of becoming more transmissible and less lethal. We obviously need more data, but that seems to be the case with Omicron.
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01-11-2022 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
They should be punished severely.

It's all their fault.

Cut them off from insurance, fired, prevented even from ordering food for delivery, don't let them cross state lines, don't let them outside.

That will teach them.
Surprised (not really) that the Woke Mob doesn't find these policies racist. As a group, Blacks are among the most likely to be hesitant about vaccines.
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01-11-2022 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
What in the world are you talking about? Viruses mutate with or without vaccines. And it is most certainly not the case that viruses inevitably mutate in the direction of becoming more dangerous.
This is part of a very diesngnous line of arguments by the derps.

Viruses are always looking to mutate to become more effective at replication.

And if you put an effective barrier in front of it (vaccine) you can see how a virus that does manage to circumvent and beat the vaccine is often more dangerous than one where no vaccine is present.

So thus derps suggest just leaving the natural variant to run as then you will not get these vaccine inspired mutations.

What the derps ignore is that when you have no vaccine and you have a bunch of people getting covid, and then enjoying periods of natural immunity the virus is fighting to get stronger and get around that natural immunity.

So the virus is seeking to mutate to a stronger form if it is simply its original form .... if you have a bunch of people infected and enjoying some immunities ... and if you have vaccine providing some immunities.

The derps take the last point as a truth and act as if it is the only thing that matters.
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01-11-2022 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
This is part of a very diesngnous line of arguments by the derps.

Viruses are always looking to mutate to become more effective at replication.


And if you put an effective barrier in front of it (vaccine) you can see how a virus that does manage to circumvent and beat the vaccine is often more dangerous than one where no vaccine is present.

So thus derps suggest just leaving the natural variant to run as then you will not get these vaccine inspired mutations.

What the derps ignore is that when you have no vaccine and you have a bunch of people getting covid, and then enjoying periods of natural immunity the virus is fighting to get stronger and get around that natural immunity.

So the virus is seeking to mutate to a stronger form
if it is simply its original form .... if you have a bunch of people infected and enjoying some immunities ... and if you have vaccine providing some immunities.

The derps take the last point as a truth and act as if it is the only thing that matters.
I wasn't aware that viruses were conscious entities. I for sure wasn't aware that viruses apparently have freewill and are goal-oriented. Kewl.
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01-11-2022 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
This is part of a very indigenous line of arguments by the derps.

Viruses are always looking to mutate to become more effective at replication.
QP, you are wrong here.
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01-11-2022 , 01:15 PM
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Only took them 22 months to start figuring it out.

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01-11-2022 , 01:22 PM
Hey, at least this time you posted a no comment link of an anti-vaxx derp that has more than a few followers. Good for you! You and that dude who endlessly posts no comment links to WNBC should get together as you kind of complete each other.

All the best.
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01-11-2022 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by harkin
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Only took them 22 months to start figuring it out.

Does it tho Harkin? Does it?
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01-11-2022 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by harkin
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Only took them 22 months to start figuring it out.


Oh I am sure it has to do with $$$$ why they do this
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