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05-28-2020 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Stop acting like a mod.

please and thank you




NEXT!
Touche!
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05-28-2020 , 06:21 AM
I got banned once for using a perfectly good Bible word.

The snowflakes were offended.
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05-28-2020 , 11:12 PM
"Wednesday saw that state record 599 new cases of coronavirus—the*highest single day total*since the pandemic began—with Thursday’s numbers not much better, with 512 new cases.

The amount of people needing hospitalization has also steadily*ticked up*since the middle of May, with 409 reported hospitalizations on Thursday, a slight drop from Tuesday’s 30-day high of 422."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nichola.../#39ea945a2a6b
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05-29-2020 , 09:32 AM
A Georgia Department of Health spokeswoman emphasized earlier this week that a one-time data dump of results from a commercial lab and a greatly expanded statewide testing system may be behind the increase.


Hospilizations are still well below the peak.

Also, I don't believe the goal when we reopen is to have less cases. That doesn't make sense. I think the goal is that we can safely reopen without overwhelming the hospital system.

This also gets us to herd immunity quicker.

Will be very interesting to see what happens to Sweden if there is a global second wave.
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05-29-2020 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
A Georgia Department of Health spokeswoman emphasized earlier this week that a one-time data dump of results from a commercial lab and a greatly expanded statewide testing system may be behind the increase.


Hospilizations are still well below the peak.

Also, I don't believe the goal when we reopen is to have less cases. That doesn't make sense. I think the goal is that we can safely reopen without overwhelming the hospital system.

This also gets us to herd immunity quicker.

Will be very interesting to see what happens to Sweden if there is a global second wave.
There are dozens of countries worldwide who have gone far beyond merely keeping the caseload under the capacity of the healthcare system. It's an achievable goal, and it's widely known how to get there.
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05-29-2020 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
There are dozens of countries worldwide who have gone far beyond merely keeping the caseload under the capacity of the healthcare system. It's an achievable goal, and it's widely known how to get there.
Most of those countries went hard and went early. We all know Trump was not advised to do that by Fauci and co.
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05-29-2020 , 01:24 PM
As let as March 2nd, New York was telling people not to wear masks and that Subway travel was perfectly safe.

From an article on Bloomberg:

2. “Ride the Subway, Take the Bus”

Wash your hands and cover your cough: That was the main advice given to New Yorkers early in the outbreak to prevent the virus’s spread.

“We want New Yorkers to go about their daily lives, ride the subway, take the bus, go see your neighbors,” New York City Health Commissioner Oxiris Barbot said on March 2.

The mayor gave the same guidance. “From what we do understand, you cannot contract it through casual contact, so the subway is not the issue,” de Blasio said March 3. Days later, he said, “It has to go from someone who is infected to another person directly into their mouth, their nose, or their eyes.”
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05-29-2020 , 02:09 PM
Wow I wonder if public officials have to alter their messages as new information comes in?
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05-29-2020 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Wow I wonder if public officials have to alter their messages as new information comes in?
Dino, my point was a counter point to Mr. Wookie. Our information led this country to a different initial conclusion than countries that did better.

Hong Kong, South Korea, other places wear masks as part of their day to day life, prior to COVID.

There were several cultural related differences that led to better initial outcomes. Those initial outcomes of the initial spread, made all the difference as the spread is exponential.
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05-29-2020 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
Most of those countries went hard and went early. We all know Trump was not advised to do that by Fauci and co.
Repeating this doesn't magically make it true, and even if it were, it is s still evidence of a monumental failure of Trump
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05-29-2020 , 02:26 PM
So Spain, Italy, France, Germany had total about 150 deaths yesterday from CV.

The Washington Post reported on a Kentucky gas station where nobody is allowed to enter the adjoining convenience store while wearing a mask, a flooring store near Los Angeles that is encouraging handshakes and hugs while banning face coverings, and a campground in rural Wisconsin that has pledged to treat customers in masks as if they were robbers.

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A love for all things American, and a desire to imitate U.S. politics and culture, goes much deeper among Brazilian conservatives than talk of Bolsonaro being a “Tropical Trump.” Sadly, it is now leading their country to absolute disaster as Brazil has passed the United States to become the global epicenter of the covid-19 pandemic
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ster-covid-19/
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05-29-2020 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
Dino, my point was a counter point to Mr. Wookie. Our information led this country to a different initial conclusion than countries that did better.



Hong Kong, South Korea, other places wear masks as part of their day to day life, prior to COVID.



There were several cultural related differences that led to better initial outcomes. Those initial outcomes of the initial spread, made all the difference as the spread is exponential.
Hahahahaha. "Nothing we can do to prevent this," says nation worse off than almost any other.
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05-29-2020 , 02:32 PM
Mr. Wookie, current belief is that masks are among best things you can do.

Without that knowledge, it would have been very difficult to have a better outcome.

Our scientists were saying, "Don't wear masks". These other countries were doing it by habit. Of course mask wearing countries would have better outcomes than those that it was not culturally embedded.
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05-29-2020 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
Mr. Wookie, current belief is that masks are among best things you can do.

Without that knowledge, it would have been very difficult to have a better outcome.

Our scientists were saying, "Don't wear masks". These other countries were doing it by habit. Of course mask wearing countries would have better outcomes than those that it was not culturally embedded.
OK, what about the Czech Republic?
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05-29-2020 , 02:39 PM
I know nothing about the Czech Republic in terms of density, travel in from more infected countries, previous and current testing capabilities.

South Korea I think is similar in terms of density and travel as an international hub. I would also trust their test numbers.
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05-29-2020 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
I know nothing about the Czech Republic in terms of density, travel in from more infected countries, previous and current testing capabilities.

South Korea I think is similar in terms of density and travel as an international hub. I would also trust their test numbers.
They beat the disease by locking down harder than we ever did, by testing more and sooner than we did, and by staying that way until their case load was far lower than ours is.

Nothing we can do but kill of a million or so people, though. Open for biznisssssssssssssssssssss
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05-29-2020 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
They beat the disease by locking down harder than we ever did, by testing more and sooner than we did, and by staying that way until their case load was far lower than ours is.

Nothing we can do but kill of a million or so people, though. Open for biznisssssssssssssssssssss
Mr. Trump can leverage the millions of deaths into declaring ML and "delaying" the election.

Am I too cynical?
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05-29-2020 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Mr. Trump can leverage the millions of deaths into declaring ML and "delaying" the election.

Am I too cynical?
Not really, but you aren't seeing what's happening right now. He's setting the stage to delegitimize the result of any state with a mail in ballot that doesn't vote for him. So he just says that CA, WA, OR, CO, and HI don't count, he wins with 268 electoral votes, and then we get to see if the Supreme Court wants us to still be a republic.
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05-29-2020 , 04:15 PM
Stable genius.
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05-29-2020 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
Most of those countries went hard and went early. We all know Trump was not advised to do that by Fauci and co.
Advisors give advice. Leaders lead and make decisions. And then they take responsibility for those decisions. trump owns all his decisions. Trying to dump the responsibility for the bad ones on other people just undermines the argument that he's a great leader if he's just along for the ride.
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05-29-2020 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by wet work
Advisors give advice. Leaders lead and make decisions. And then they take responsibility for those decisions. trump owns all his decisions. Trying to dump the responsibility for the bad ones on other people just undermines the argument that he's a great leader if he's just along for the ride.
He has owned it, hasn't he? I haven't heard him blaming Fauci.
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05-29-2020 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
He has owned it, hasn't he?
If famously saying "I don't take responsibility at all" is "owning it", then yes, he's done exactly that!
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05-29-2020 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
He has owned it, hasn't he? I haven't heard him blaming Fauci.
No, he blames governors and Obama.
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05-29-2020 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
A Georgia Department of Health spokeswoman emphasized earlier this week that a one-time data dump of results from a commercial lab and a greatly expanded statewide testing system may be behind the increase.


Hospilizations are still well below the peak.

Also, I don't believe the goal when we reopen is to have less cases. That doesn't make sense. I think the goal is that we can safely reopen without overwhelming the hospital system.

This also gets us to herd immunity quicker.


Will be very interesting to see what happens to Sweden if there is a global second wave.
There won't be herd immunity without a vaccine.
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05-29-2020 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
No, he blames governors and Obama.
In his defense, Obama didn’t leave him with tests for the then non-existent virus.
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