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06-04-2020 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiddyBang
'memba when the left was insisting everyone stay home. #tbt
I MEMBA!!!
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06-04-2020 , 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
Why does it seem so? Because of some stats you saw? Why are these stats "good stats" and all the stats that don't support your case "bad stats"? Why do I even have to ask this?

Let's say for argument's sake that your stats are good and all the other stats are bad. What's to say there will still be enough beds and ventilators once lockdown eases if exponential growth resumes?
You are maybe the WORST LEFTIST I have ever seen.

Well Played
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06-04-2020 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rooooktaker
You are maybe the WORST LEFTIST I have ever seen.

Well Played
I was invited to represent the worst of my people, in the name of diversity. I take it you received a similar invite?
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06-05-2020 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
MARCH 26TH?
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06-05-2020 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
MARCH 26TH?
LOL. Good catch!
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06-05-2020 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
LOL. Good catch!
Mr. Wookie used to be a decent poster here.

He's slipped a bit, lately, imo.

Maybe his mask is on too tight.

I want the old Wookie back!
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06-05-2020 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Mr. Wookie used to be a decent poster here.

He's slipped a bit, lately, imo.

Maybe his mask is on too tight.

I want the old Wookie back!
This thread started good, now they are all just trying to troll me to get my goat.

The entire country is opening now. Kemp was right. The sky didn't fall.

A lockdown until a vaccine is created was never a realistic solution.

How to open and minimize the severity of the second wave was really the only discussion.
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06-05-2020 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
MARCH 26TH?
Sorry, I read May
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06-05-2020 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Sorry, I read May
Got it. Easy mistake. No harm, no foul!
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06-05-2020 , 10:56 AM
Daily new hospitalizations and cases in GA have been trending up in the last week, but aren't at all time highs just yet. Obviously that means VICTORY, because there's no way they could keep going up.
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06-05-2020 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Daily new hospitalizations and cases in GA have been trending up in the last week, but aren't at all time highs just yet. Obviously that means VICTORY, because there's no way they could keep going up.
Hoping lockdown returns soon. Can use $1200 right now.

(Sorta, kinda, maybe serious, but also sorta, kinda, maybe NOT serious.)
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06-05-2020 , 11:38 AM
Hospital rates in Georgia are at 800. I week ago they were at 850.
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06-05-2020 , 11:39 AM
06-05-2020 , 11:41 AM
https://www.11alive.com/article/news...d-b11e659721bf

Over the last 14 days, the average daily increase in new patients was 84.36 new patients a day. Over the previous 14-day period, the average daily increase in new patients was 93.93.



That last was from the article. I'm guessing the next 14 days, we see uptick nationwide, but not as a result of reopening, but as a result from the clustering of people in the protests.
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06-05-2020 , 12:08 PM
Yeah, the uptick is in the last 7 days.
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06-05-2020 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Rick
What it seems that Georgia is not doing right, is deliberately trying to skew the data so people feel safe. My doctor in NY is convinced that Georgia is seriously under reporting Covid deaths.
This was bound to happen. Counting deaths in a pandemic is tricky work even if you do it honestly. There is a lot of room to manipulate the data in either direction if you are intent on doing so. After making a politically motivated decision to be the tip of the spear in reopening, Kemp obviously has a lot of political incentives to push the numbers down.

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On the flip side of the coin you have NY, NJ, and CT. They are crushing the virus right now (positive cases at lows, positive case rates are plummeting, number of tests is increasing) and are in a position to possibly contact trace if they can ramp up testing a bit more.
I'm not sure I would agree that NJ is crushing it right now. 200 COVID deaths in the last two days is not great all. NY is doing well, and CT is doing very well.

For those who appreciate absurd things, if you drive across the state line into FL, you will be asked whether you have visited NY, NJ, CT, or LA in the last 14 days. If you answer yes, you will be told that you need to quarantine in Florida after you arrive at your destination. Florida makes no attempt to enforce the quarantine, of course, but even asking the question is a little ridiculous seeing as at least three of those four states are doing as well or better than FL right now.
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06-05-2020 , 12:19 PM
Yeah, I thought a week ago there was a total of 850 people in the hospital in Georgia for COVID. I can't quite figure out how to get that data on the link you shared.

The history doesn't break out current people in hospital, just total hospilizations.
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06-05-2020 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
LOL. Good catch!
Hi Smudger! I think you missed this post:

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Originally Posted by goofyballer
What's a threshold where you would acknowledge there's a problem and we'd have to scale back?

Like, take a statistic that you trust (I guess hospital beds?) and say:
- what is that stat right now?
- at what level would that stat say "we ****ed up"?

(Pro tip: generalities like "hospitals aren't under stress" is not a stat)
Thoughts?
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06-05-2020 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Smudger2408
Yeah, I thought a week ago there was a total of 850 people in the hospital in Georgia for COVID. I can't quite figure out how to get that data on the link you shared.

The history doesn't break out current people in hospital, just total hospilizations.
Try this link at covidtracker

If you go into the historical data you can see hospitalizations per day (though there can be some lag time problems where a state may fail to report on a particular day and then you see a big number the following day). This is what I copy into a spreadsheet daily to see how certain states are doing on a rolling avg basis (poker related states like NV, CT, NJ, PA; states that abut them: MA, NY, RI; states that have opened early with governors who had late starts at dealing with Covid: FL, GA; states where loved ones live: CA, NY, RI; states with beautiful governors: MI). To my amazement the worst of the bunch is CA. It looks like the only way their death toll can be so low is because they shut down first. But I suspect they may also have a death reporting problem. They are the only state I am tracking that is at an all time high now for Covid cases on a daily basis (7 day and 14 day rolling avgs). Whereas CT, NJ, NY are at all time lows since their peaks in mid April.

As of yesterday they have Georgia at 807 current hospitalizations total.

I also like CovidActNow

because it gives an overview on 4 key stats (Infection rate or R0, positive test rate, ICU bed capacity, and contact tracing cabability). So you can see Oregon, Vermont, and Hawaii are ready to open up basically with low risk. Washington was there a day ago but looks like they are slipping. Going to be interesting watching this as states open up.

edit: This has Georgia currently at 9% ICU bed capacity which is low (a very good thing).
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06-05-2020 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
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I'm not sure I would agree that NJ is crushing it right now. 200 COVID deaths in the last two days is not great all. NY is doing well, and CT is doing very well.
NJ 7 day rolling avg low was 2 days ago. The 14 day and 21 day rolling avgs are at all time lows as of yesterday.

I tend to care more about 14 day and 21 day rolling avgs because the daily reports are somewhat volatile and also because the disease itself takes about 14 to 21 days to kill people on average so those averages reflect the impact of the course of the disease (i.e., death counts are a reflection of what the state of health was two or three weeks ago not what is going on today).

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For those who appreciate absurd things, if you drive across the state line into FL, you will be asked whether you have visited NY, NJ, CT, or LA in the last 14 days. If you answer yes, you will be told that you need to quarantine in Florida after you arrive at your destination. Florida makes no attempt to enforce the quarantine, of course, but even asking the question is a little ridiculous seeing as at least three of those four states are doing as well or better than FL right now.
Ironic.

But the people who would travel from CT, NJ, and NY by airplane to Florida are probably more likely to have Covid than those who wouldn't IMO. By car would be another story.
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06-05-2020 , 06:17 PM
Mr. Rick, the historical data is showing cumulative hospital cases, not number as of that date.

Is there a search I am missing?
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06-05-2020 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Hi Smudger! I think you missed this post:



Thoughts?
Hi Smudger! Still missed it! Any thoughts on how we can use data to verify things aren't getting worse? I know it can't be the case that there is no set of statistics you would ever accept that show COVID being worse than you thought...
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06-05-2020 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Hi Smudger! Still missed it! Any thoughts on how we can use data to verify things aren't getting worse? I know it can't be the case that there is no set of statistics you would ever accept that show COVID being worse than you thought...
From memory, can't quite how to verify, when Georgia opened up, there were roughly 950 people being treated in the hospital for COVID.

Now there are roughly 800.

The whole point of shut down was to protect the hospital. Reopened for 6-7 weeks and people in the hospital for this is lower. Seems successful by that metric.
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06-05-2020 , 06:45 PM
Great, that's a start. At what level do you think hospitalizations would indicate a problem?
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06-05-2020 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Great, that's a start. At what level do you think hospitalizations would indicate a problem?
Well, since Georgia didn't have a problem at 950, would think a lot more.

Stop trolling me. You know COVID was overblown. Everyone knows. Every state is opening up now.

Kemp was right to open when he did.
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