It is not that difficult to assess. You seem desperate to pick and choose tidbits you think help while ignoring mass data that does not.

Around the world we say how the first wave of virus hitting countries quickly was overwhelming medical care capabilities leading to many unnecessary deaths and then as those countries ALL mostly shut down, that curve was massively reduced and the death rates plummeted.

Sweden stands in stark contrast of 'what not to do' in that regard, as many are now admitting, as they have an otherwise inexplicable catastrophic death rate compared to all their nordic peers, who did shut down and yet no additional economic benefits.

And then again, you see now in Texas, Florida, Arizona and other places how quickly things started to rise to critical levels, where catastrophic death rates were approaching and AGAIN they resorted to mass restrictions, shut downs and mask use to again flatten the curve and bring it back under control.


Your entire position seems to be to just deny what we are observing time and again and nothing stronger than that.

Just a quick question if you will. Do you believe in flat earth theory?

What you continue to do wrongly, and you know it with this constant trolling, is pretend that you have not been explained the difference between actions here.

- NO one planned for the timing of GF death to be during a Pandemic
- People cannot help their emotional outrage sparked by the injustice of watching a POC being murdered in such an evil and callous way by a cop
- Protest of such things happen regardless of what the law or officials want. They are acts of civil disobedience.
- Health professionals can both not want a large protest during a pandemic, call for masks and distancing where possible, but recognize they cannot stop it, and that does not equal endorsing it
- health professionals can recognize the role of civil protest, especially to a cause like this to also be a critical national issue and support that while wishing it was happening outside a pandemic.

Joe, your entire position here is acting like health professional called for this, had control to disallow it, and promoted it. None of which is true.

And that makes it entirely different than Trump calling to open bars, restaurants, churches, stadiums and allow big public events. Those he is controlling and endorsing.

US has 490 deaths/million and Sweden has 571.

But perhaps more to the point Norway has 47 deaths/million, Finland has 60 and the Nederlands have 359.

Those would be Swedan's closest neighbors more or less.

And across the water we have Germany at 110 deaths/million and Poland at 47.

This is not correct. The prediction of 250k deaths was without lockdown but with home isolation of cases, home quarantine and social distancing of those over 70 years. It was absolutely not the prediction for the fuller lockdown which we then had to try to suppress the outbreak.
http://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/19623...likely-impact/

The second scenario (commonly called lockdown) is what the UK actually did.

Victim culture has ruined BILLIONS OF LIVES!

And people take investing advice from this guy.

Germany should be a decent "metric" to compare to.

Federation of states like the US, very international economy, lots of travel to and from, some very big cities and similar urbanization.

Two Georgia teens say they were suspended from school where crowded hallway photo went viral

Their crime? Taking photos that made the school look bad!

SMUDGERRRRRRRR

Separate article about the same school and how it is a total dumpster fire

SMUDGERRRRRRRRR

Students at school touted by Pence for reopening must quarantine due to COVID-19

It is a real Sophie's Choice.

In the state I live in there is pretty much no school for the foreseeable future. So the privileged elites are hiring private teachers to teach their children while they work; and for everyone else, parents have to stay at home and watch their children who are getting no schooling, and haven't had any since March.

When the smoke clears the elites and their children will have even more of an edge than the giant edge they already had. Income inequality will just continue to grow as opportunity is funneled even more to the rich.

Interestingly, but not too surprisingly, in the parts of Los Angeles where Jews are concentrated all the private Jewish schools are opening and plowing ahead full steam.

I have Jewish friends who tried to enroll their kids in private Hebrew school when they realized public school wasn't going to happen, but the schools were all booked solid with monster waiting lists.

Yawn. I have already cited this multiple times itt.

But just for your benefit here we go again:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/healt...rnd/index.html

That's not my position at all. You continually miss the point, which was that they encouraged the protests with the letter that they put out. It was not necessary on their part, and it was dumb in the circumstances of the pandemic. Health professionals should not be encouraging or condoning mass gatherings during a pandemic, in any way.

Scientists wouldn't say that, but activists would. And for good or bad many scientists have no problem taking their scientist hat off and putting their ideology hat on when circumstances dictate.

For good or bad, when it comes to hot button cultural topics related to science, it would probably be a bad idea to just blindly follow the scientific consensus, and instead it would behoove anyone to critically examine issues for themselves.

I don't feel I have the required expertise to critically examine issues related to e.g. epidemiology or client science myself. What do I do now?

That’s what YouTube university and Facebook are for bro. Plandemic, etc.

No i got you and was correct.

Acknowledging something does not equal 'encouraging' it.

Trump encouraged people to not wear masks even as his health professionals were pushing people to do so. That is the proper use of the word.

The health professionals acknowledged it was happening and its role in national public health.

They can say both things while also wishing it was not happening during covid times, something they have no power over.

You jest, but I assume the people who are telling me not to believe what the scientists are saying are exactly the ones hooked up to a drip of shitty youtubez all day.

Saying "we support them as vital to the national public health", sounds like encouraging it to me.

Again you were wrong. Just man up for once, admit you were wrong and move on.

It's not the end of the world.

I can smell the irony from here lol

What a post...especially in a pandemic thread lol

Joe, the gist of the letter was encouraging the response to the protests to be dealing with the issues being protested, thereby reducing them and the COVID risk and at the same time addressing other important health issues, rather than dealing with them by trying to shut them down with draconian force (which we have seen fail), which would inevitably increase the COVID risk and other health risks.

Now quit lying about it or maybe the mods will allow me to call you names.

Good thing that the protests increased social distancing on average and didn't induce a catastrophe, while also working in service of the public health interest of reducing police brutality. Perhaps those public health workers know more than you give them credit for!

Even if that were the case, which I doubt, they had no way of knowing that would be the result. So, my point stands.

1. The best available evidence says that it is the case. Your inexpert incredulity is worthless without more and better data.

2. It is not unpredictable. Neither measurements of social distancing nor protests are new things this year.

Sorry, I'm not buying it. The protests could well have sparked a spike in infections. The health professionals had no way of predicting if that would happen or not. If it didn't it was down to good luck more than anything else.