Once upon a time the collection of narcissist's came up with a nice little tactic. "Do you want a dead child or a trans child?". Great and totally dishonest way to shut people up as you steam roll your cult-like ideology forward. Obviously that turned out to be complete BS when you look a the actual research of suicide rates before and after transitioning. And of course that's not the only consideration

Now it looks like that same game working on the same people. Really? Explain to me like I'm 14 (old enough for "gender affirming care"). So a kid transitions at school but doesn't tell their parents because they wouldn't handle it well. According to who? How do they know the parents wouldn't handle it well? If they do actually know, then the teachers aren;t "outing them". Did you think any of this through? On top of that, just mathematically speaking, a parent not supporting their teens transition is correct more than not about their child being "trans".

This of course is just an appetizer before we reach the main course which is aspect of grooming and parental rights. Months ago we had parents protesting this and a shocking amount of creeps counter protesting it in Canada. Imagine taking to the streets your desire to have a secret life with a child behind their parents back. Creepy groomers. Stick to math, reading, writing, etc. This stuff and the desire to be involved in it is just so far out of bounds.

We have a system that will medically transition a child without parental involvement after a 15 minute dr visit. We know the astronomical suicide rates associated with trans. Oh you gonna let some derpy highschool teacher make these calls? WTF is wrong with people?

wild times

but it's totally not a cult

The wall of text pulled out of context that claims a subset of APA members in Pennsylvania have forbidden mention of a ruling because it hurts some people's feelings.

That seems odd and not scientific, but we have no source or context.

I don't see any cult-like behavior.

The claim is psychologists who practice gender medicine are making it up to make money, something more sinister, or just crazy?

Psychologists aren't doctors and gender is something made up by society.

i stand by my lobotomy example

for a very long time loving families subjected their children to it believing it was the only solution - otherwise they'd end with a kid who was institutionalized their entire life or dead


despite the existence of plenty of evidence that they were terrible, they continued to proliferate

but of course the medical community could never make that kind of mistake again where they actively suppress any data that doesn't support their ideological beliefs

Is it okay for the trans children to come out when they become adults, or should it be a crime for adults?

you may want to pay more attention to the thread before asking more stupid rhetorical questions - that's been discussed ad nauseum and is literally the one thing everyone here agrees upon

but sure keep on buiding up strawmen, you seem to enjoy it

I'm trying to comprehend who the cult is, how fake transness is, and all that good stuff.

again, just read the thread and stop building up strawmen and you could go far in life

Sounds like the claim is PPA is a cult? And the conclusion from that assertion is gender and trans are fake?

You aren't giving us much to go on sir. Trying to gain details about the cult.

you're really bad at this, adding you to the ignore list

Seems like transactivists might not have been entirely honest when they stated "would you rather have a trans son or a dead daughter"

Puberty blocker curb has not led to suicide rise – review

I dunno, seems like at least one of us in this thread actually read the Cass report and was able to sus this out 3 months ago.

Like I get that we are supposed to be civil and what not but I can't express enough how pathetic it is you ****ing clowns think you can just read some gotcha tweet from some anti-trans voice and post it with no background info or context and think that you've won an argument on a complex subject. It just displays an abject void of analysis skills, reason, and understanding. It legitimately make you lot look like absolute imbecells and you have to wonder how a group of people so devoid of said markers of intelligence even managed to survive this long.

I'll bow out of the thread, again, because its completely pointless

coordi, that man you label as an "anti trans voice" is a NYT and Reuters freelance reporter - he's beyond legit

It doesn’t matter. As I mentioned in another thread, many political activists are motivated by something other than actually solving the problem.

The trans activists have been drawing dead since the beginning of this thread without realizing it. As that reality sets in, there will be more unhinged name-calling which will eventually turn into rationalizing and gaslighting attempts.

Do you know what a "freelance reporter" is?

classic stuff. What a gotcha!

coordi, i am actually from that industry - i'm the only person in the thread who actually understands what it takes to be a freelance reporter - after i left my desk job as a foreign correspondent i did some moonlighting as one even while i was still working in tech - i still occasionally write sometimes to this day


you do not rise to that level without a pristine reputation, you can't just submit articles to the nyt and hope an editor says "i like it were publishing this" it's a highly scrutinized process that involves a lot of networking and vetting of your prior work

many choose freelance because they like the freedom of being their own boss, the flexibility - ie they can work on other things like a novel and occasionally submit work to keep the lights on, or they can simply make a lot more money putting out regular content to various publications - by no means at all is it a "step down" the way you are treating it

if anything, it's harder to get published as a freelancer for them than it is to get work as one of their salaried employees because they're more apt to roll the dice on fresh talent who they can train and groom into the nyt way than they can with someone who submits work on spec - they'll set the bar much higher on people they'll accept freelance work from than they would when they are reviewing applicants for junior level reporting jobs

and lastly, if he were posting anti-trans bs on his official twitter that would 100% kill his career - yes he'd probably have something like newsmax to fall back on, but he's smarter than that

just outrageous the mental gymnastics you'll do in order to believe yourself to be correct 100% of the time on this issue

How many times were you asked to define what a woman is? How many times did you answer? Now re-read this rant with that in perspective.

The mental gymnastics you routinely perform are nothing short of spectacular

This thread went silent after I posted the opinions coming from top in Finland along with some research. I asked some obvious questions to those subscribing to gender ideology. Enough time passed so that they could pretend it never happened and move along. They came back. You will too. Have a good one champ

Remember when you asked me? And I said that while nothing good would possibly come from it, I answered. And then you never responded. And then a month or so later you asked again, and multiple people pointed out I had answered and you never responded? And it just continued like that?

Your playbook is fully revealed. You chortle with your pathetic "gotcha" attempt question of "what is a woman?" - Matt Walsh style - and while most people probably ignore you because it is so obviously in bath faith and so obviously is never going to lead to anything constructive, you are the one who ignores things when they are substantively answered so this card you are playing is utterly devoid of substance.

It is hard to believe you can find your own a hole when you can't even find the answers of multiple posters to your stupid "woman" question.

That's an apt moniker.

Why exactly does it matter what the definition of a woman is? The word woman shouldn't even be in any laws or governmental documents. Treat everyone equally and it doesn't matter what gender people want to call themselves.

Vintage uke-tale. How many times did I ask you before you attempted to answer? I'd set the over under at 5. Your "definition" was exactly as expected and the point. Ridiculous. What is a women? A women is someone who imitates female stereotypes + some useless jargon. This is why I had to press you to get an answer and others avoid it. That's not a definition and it's ridiculous. The only other person to answer was the mod. I had to ask multiple times as well. He basically had to reference your response. You posted here in response to me asking coordi who (among others) has been asked multiple times and not responded.

Of course it didn't lead to anything constructive. Your response is ridiculous nonsense which I already explained. I even went through the exercise of trying to use your definition in the real world to highlight how silly gender ideology is for the laziest of thinkers
You didn't answer. You were asked. I'm sure you're holding on to something really clever
Why do you keep going with this schtick?

How do you get male convicts serving and raping in womens prisons without a new made up definition and gender ideology?
How do you get men ruining womens sports, scholorships, etc?
How do you get adults with penises in little girls change rooms?
How do you get medical transition for a 14 year old after a 15 minute dr visit without parental involvement?
How do you get groomers hiding a transitioning kids behind their parents back at school?

It begins where? Lose the "like what's the big deal maaaaan" schtick. If you aren't bothered by the above there's something wrong with you. If you thought it was just being mean to guys in wigs etc, ok, time to wake up

While that is a pretty poor summary of my position, the key point is that you are welcome to not like my definition and to have criticisms of it. Fine. I have criticisms of your posts too. But suggesting it was ignored entirely is just stupid. You got a good faith, detailed response. So you can go around saying "uke gave a BAD definition" but not "uke DIDNT GIVE a definition".

Are you able to see the difference?