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04-25-2024 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by coordi
This is objectively incorrect. The analogy was about motivations with the context being motivation for being trans.

The likening was you either rob a bank for nefarious reasons or good reasons but you are still robbing a bank, just like you transition for good or bad reasons you are still robbing a bank

Don't call others stupid when you can't follow a simple thread
That's not the way I remember it. If you care to take it any further, feel free to quote and explain.
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04-25-2024 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
First of all, learn how forums work so you don't do double posts. Second, while rickroll brought up a whole lot of other topics (murders! rapes! etc), the specific one I was responding to was the claim that it was a waste of time - for trans people - to only disclose being trans while chatting. That specific thing is resolved by the app setting that allows you to display whether you are cis or trans (or other things) directly on your profile, i.e. prior to chatting. There might be any number of other issues, but this specific one cited by rickroll is the "more than anything" issue is resolved.
is this also not rape?
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04-25-2024 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
here's a general hint, when you cease talking facts and then shift goal posts entirely to make it about something entirely different and now no longer about what was being discussed but now start talking about intangible filled with whataboutism

then it's clear you're extremely biased in this matter and were just looking for confirmation bias - one way or another your world view must be correct and so we're going to keep throwing different shaped blocks at the hole until we find one that can plausibly fit

this is a cult
I don't even know what you're talking about honestly. I'm trying to explain why the dating app is likely positioning themselves in this manner, and explaining why it makes sense for them to do so. Not that I agree with it.

You sat in here and whined, literally whined that you weren't being read and people weren't taking the time to read and understand your position. Well.... you got a lot of attention for something that quite honestly, you still don't understand.

Complain to the app company.
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04-25-2024 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
i never said that though, i never said anything remotely close to being afraid of being tricked into sucking a trans dick

isn't this a hint when you need to invent things instead of saying what i actually said that perhaps what i said was reasonable? which is why you need to invent extreme strawmen instead of dealing with what i actually said?




also, i edited and added some more thoughts to that post above that you probably missed



i also didn't intent projection that way, you're not wrong to interpret that way either as that's the standard usage, i meant to say that you were not looking at it objectively, ie you see my gripes here about a poorly designed feature and that gets you to project that my earlier posts in another may have been due to utterly failing

i know you're in a long term relationship and am happy for you


and I'm not mad by your comment, i still think you're a great guy, but it is genuinely disappointing to see you post that - even if it were true, it would still be a cheap way to discredit discussion of a poorly designed feature - i know it's a bit of open season on that stuff now and I'm a major reason for that so i am aware of the hypocritical nature of my complaints, but you're better than that
In a normal context I would just swipe left on a trans person. I spent .1 second dealing with that issue. So what is the issue here that has you making 25 posts on the topic?
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04-25-2024 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
I don't even know what you're talking about honestly. I'm trying to explain why the dating app is likely positioning themselves in this manner, and explaining why it makes sense for them to do so. Not that I agree with it.

You sat in here and whined, literally whined that you weren't being read and people weren't taking the time to read and understand your position. Well.... you got a lot of attention for something that quite honestly, you still don't understand.

Complain to the app company.
dude, you keep shifting goal posts and using absurd nonsense

you and uke were literally putting incorrect information out there - to which i took the time to explain why it was wrong

how is that whining but not what you did whining?

you're not posting in good faith here at all
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04-25-2024 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
First of all, learn how forums work so you don't do double posts. Second, while rickroll brought up a whole lot of other topics (murders! rapes! etc), the specific one I was responding to was the claim that it was a waste of time - for trans people - to only disclose being trans while chatting. That specific thing is resolved by the app setting that allows you to display whether you are cis or trans (or other things) directly on your profile, i.e. prior to chatting. There might be any number of other issues, but this specific one cited by rickroll is the "more than anything" issue is resolved.
No it is not, and he specifically addressed how and why. Openly identifying as trans still does not filter you out of the searches of people who will never be interested in you, and it is not easily noticed on your profile.

Therefore time may still be wasted before that comes out, or even (arguably) worse, trans people will get a lot of matches which soon disappear.

If you don't understand or deny anything here please specifically object or admit that you were wrong again. Thanks.
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04-25-2024 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Sorry, this is meant as pushback against the idea that trans people should choose whatever app they are most comfortable with?

Gay people and trans people are not the same thing. Presumably some trans people are happy to go on a gay-focused apps, others might not want to. Some might want to be on the farmer app, others may not want to. It's their choice.
Sure, they may prefer to use the general app. But I disagree that using the general app would be the "simplist thing" which is what you claimed.

And I didn't mean they should use a gay app. They should use an app for trans people and those who want to meet trans people.
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04-25-2024 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
True, but irrelevant. They could allow those who want to be self identify as trans not to be matched with those who definitely aren't interested in them. I imagine it would take a few hours of one person's time to do so.
Jesus... I genuinely can't understand why this is hard to grasp.

IF A TRANS MAN PUTS IN THEIR PROFILE THAT THEY ARE A BIOLOGICAL WOMAN, someone like rick, who says they only want to be matched w/ biological women, will be matched w/ a TRANS MAN.

The ONLY way this can be fixed is if they have someone who manually approves every profile on the site, or there's some AI that can 100% spot an adams apple. Outside of that... you're just going to have to swipe left and move on if you spot a trans person.

You're claiming something else, that the app itself says it doesn't do... and quite honestly, I think they probably have this filtering (because they say they do), you and Rick and whomever else, just aren't understanding the above.
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04-25-2024 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
dude, you keep shifting goal posts and using absurd nonsense

you and uke were literally putting incorrect information out there - to which i took the time to explain why it was wrong

how is that whining but not what you did whining?

you're not posting in good faith here at all
I never once shifted goalposts. But if that's how you want to end the conversation, I'm good with that.
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04-25-2024 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by coordi
In a normal context I would just swipe left on a trans person. I spent .1 second dealing with that issue. So what is the issue here that has you making 25 posts on the topic?
24 of those posts were refuting 24 other posts putting out intentionally wrong information saying that wasn't the case

absolutely incredulous


rick: it's a strange design that on dating apps i can exclude people by everything but whether they have a penis
fd:no you can, i just googled it
rick: yes it does, you're mistaken, here's screenshots to prove it
fd: well i found i page talking about gender identity
rick: yes you did, but that's unrelated to what we were discussing
uke: problem solved, they have a page on gender identity
cordi: isn't rick an incel anyway?
uke/fd/coordi: why is rick throwing a hissy fit about this?
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04-25-2024 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
Jesus... I genuinely can't understand why this is hard to grasp.

IF A TRANS MAN PUTS IN THEIR PROFILE THAT THEY ARE A BIOLOGICAL WOMAN, someone like rick, who says they only want to be matched w/ biological women, will be matched w/ a TRANS MAN.

The ONLY way this can be fixed is if they have someone who manually approves every profile on the site, or there's some AI that can 100% spot an adams apple. Outside of that... you're just going to have to swipe left and move on if you spot a trans person.

You're claiming something else, that the app itself says it doesn't do... and quite honestly, I think they probably have this filtering (because they say they do), you and Rick and whomever else, just aren't understanding the above.
again, you're larping about something to people who are in the trenches and know how it works about something you've never experienced

you are wrong, that's not how it works
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04-25-2024 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
Jesus... I genuinely can't understand why this is hard to grasp.

IF A TRANS MAN PUTS IN THEIR PROFILE THAT THEY ARE A WOMAN, someone like rick, who says they only want to be matched w/ biological women, will be matched w/ a TRANS MAN.

The ONLY way this can be fixed is if they have someone who manually approves every profile on the site, or there's some AI that can 100% spot an adams apple. Outside of that... you're just going to have to swipe left and move on if you spot a trans person.

You're claiming something else, that the app itself says it doesn't do... and quite honestly, I think they probably have this filtering (because they say they do), you and Rick and whomever else, just aren't understanding the above.
Wow, just wow.

NO THAT IS NOT THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD FIX IT!

And you're either still misunderstanding, but I can't imagine how you could be that dense, or you are deliberately lying.

PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE THE OPTION TO IDENTIFY AS TRANS. ALL THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO FIX THE SITUATION WOULD BE A TOGGLE SWITCH FOR USERS STATING WHETHER OR NOT THEY WISH TO BE MATCHED WITH TRANS PEOPLE.

It's like you guys don't even know anything about computers, apps, websites, or any basic computer programs. I don't every remember several people claiming not to understand something so basic that has been explained over and over again.
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04-25-2024 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
No it is not, and he specifically addressed how and why. Openly identifying as trans still does not filter you out of the searches of people who will never be interested in you, and it is not easily noticed on your profile.

Therefore time may still be wasted before that comes out, or even (arguably) worse, trans people will get a lot of matches which soon disappear..
This is just getting ridiculous. Ok let's rephrase to "trivially solves the claimed problem from rickroll but for rare instances where someone doesn't look at the profile that labels them as trans".

Remember, this is a guy who tried to just claim I support rape because of my stance about app settings. So if you want to nitpick around the margins about BS like not noticing the declaration on the profile, maybe you should start with some bigger fish first.
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04-25-2024 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
I never once shifted goalposts. But if that's how you want to end the conversation, I'm good with that.
wow... you went from arguing that something which doesn't exist does indeed exists, even doubled down on that after being given evidence and having people carefully and politely explain to you the nature of why you were mistaken, and then when you gave up on that quixotic quest, you still had to be right so instead of being the bigger person and agreeing that you were mistaken or at least having the decency to just drop the subject, you decide to then switch over to personal attacks

it is mind boggling considering this is how it started
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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
5 sec google searched showed OkCupid, and bumble had trans filters. I'm sure there are more, but I'm happily married so I don't know what's out there.

Glad to be of service my friend... fear not!

that's an incredible reality distortion field you got there if you actually believe you haven't shifted any goal posts to go from that above to this

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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
I don't even know what you're talking about honestly. I'm trying to explain why the dating app is likely positioning themselves in this manner, and explaining why it makes sense for them to do so. Not that I agree with it.

You sat in here and whined, literally whined that you weren't being read and people weren't taking the time to read and understand your position. Well.... you got a lot of attention for something that quite honestly, you still don't understand.

Complain to the app company.
just wild stuff
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04-25-2024 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
But I disagree that using the general app would be the "simplist thing" which is what you claimed.
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Wouldn't the "simple solution" be for trans women to use whatever the **** dating sites they want, just like the rest of us?
Do you just suck at reading comprehension?
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04-25-2024 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
24 of those posts were refuting 24 other posts putting out intentionally wrong information saying that wasn't the case

absolutely incredulous


rick: it's a strange design that on dating apps i can exclude people by everything but whether they have a penis
fd:no you can, i just googled it
rick: yes it does, you're mistaken, here's screenshots to prove it
fd: well i found i page talking about gender identity
rick: yes you did, but that's unrelated to what we were discussing
uke: problem solved, they have a page on gender identity
cordi: isn't rick an incel anyway?
uke/fd/coordi: why is rick throwing a hissy fit about this?
Again, from the site:
You can also select the gender of the people you’d like to match with on Bumble Date. When joining Bumble, if you’re using Date mode, you’ll be taken to a screen asking you who you’d like to date. You can choose from men, women, nonbinary people, a selection of two options, or everyone on the app.

What I've been saying FROM THE START, is I'm betting that some (and I don't want to get into the weeds why this is), trans gender men specify their sex as a biological woman. That's why you're seeing it in your feed.

Otherwise... again, for the umpteenth time, contact the dating app. Because they are CLAIMING something different from what you are saying. So either it's a bug... or... and this really is the point, and why this absurd conversation has gone on this long...

... it's an evil liberal conspiracy to get straight men like you to become attracted to trans men, and convert you.... (da da da)... to love dick!

Can't believe I participated in this at all. I honestly feel dirty... and I'm out.
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04-25-2024 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
wow... you went from arguing that something which doesn't exist does indeed exists, even doubled down on that after being given evidence and having people carefully and politely explain to you the nature of why you were mistaken, and then when you gave up on that quixotic quest, you still had to be right so instead of being the bigger person and agreeing that you were mistaken or at least having the decency to just drop the subject, you decide to then switch over to personal attacks

it is mind boggling considering this is how it started



that's an incredible reality distortion field you got there if you actually believe you haven't shifted any goal posts to go from that above to this



just wild stuff
Not falling for it bro... I'm a little bit smart. I know what you're doing. You can continue to claim things that didn't happen (without explaining what those things are), and say them over and over... you're just projecting at this point because you have nothing to really say, and now you're turning this ugly and unproductive. I genuinely think you're just attention seeking... and again, you got what you want, and I probably unintentionally hit a trigger, so there's nowhere to go from here.
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04-25-2024 , 02:37 PM
I assure you guys that transgender people are not the reason you can't find dates.
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04-25-2024 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
Again, from the site:
You can also select the gender of the people you’d like to match with on Bumble Date. When joining Bumble, if you’re using Date mode, you’ll be taken to a screen asking you who you’d like to date. You can choose from men, women, nonbinary people, a selection of two options, or everyone on the app.

What I've been saying FROM THE START, is I'm betting that some (and I don't want to get into the weeds why this is), trans gender men specify their sex as a biological woman. That's why you're seeing it in your feed.

Otherwise... again, for the umpteenth time, contact the dating app. Because they are CLAIMING something different from what you are saying. So either it's a bug... or... and this really is the point, and why this absurd conversation has gone on this long...

... it's an evil liberal conspiracy to get straight men like you to become attracted to trans men, and convert you.... (da da da)... to love dick!

Can't believe I participated in this at all. I honestly feel dirty... and I'm out.
this has been repeatedly explained to you politely

you're also about to be canceled from your own side of the aisle for not understanding that non binary does not mean trans and that it is wrong to say "trans gender men specify their sex as a biological woman" the correct phrase is transgender female here

i think you honestly just don't understand the terminology and that's why you're so confused

furthermore, you're confusion over terms aside, you're still wrong

if a transfemale chooses the female option and doesn't even try to identify as a biological woman but chooses trans woman


they will go into the feed of all men looking for women

so you're wrong, and despite repeated attempts to explain to you these things, you keep on insisting that you know more about it from something you've literally never used and then when when we take the time to politely and thoroughly explain why you're incorrect and where that confusion came from you just resort to personal attacks

it's just really sad and pathetic man, not at all disappointed to hear you will be seeing your way out of the thread if this is how you interact with people
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04-25-2024 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
Not falling for it bro... I'm a little bit smart. I know what you're doing. You can continue to claim things that didn't happen (without explaining what those things are), and say them over and over... you're just projecting at this point because you have nothing to really say, and now you're turning this ugly and unproductive. I genuinely think you're just attention seeking... and again, you got what you want, and I probably unintentionally hit a trigger, so there's nowhere to go from here.
stay classy
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04-25-2024 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Do you just suck at reading comprehension?
Not as much as you do.

We may disagree about what the simplest solution is.

Last edited by chillrob; 04-25-2024 at 02:49 PM.
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04-25-2024 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
This is just getting ridiculous. Ok let's rephrase to "trivially solves the claimed problem from rickroll but for rare instances where someone doesn't look at the profile that labels them as trans".

Remember, this is a guy who tried to just claim I support rape because of my stance about app settings. So if you want to nitpick around the margins about BS like not noticing the declaration on the profile, maybe you should start with some bigger fish first.
Not by any means rare.

Funny how someone who has likely never used a dating app thinks he knows about how rare and easy things are.

And nice non sequitur about another user saying you support rape.

It is definitely getting ridiculous how you and your cohort can't just admit you were wrong about something. Not even idealogical, just about the way apps work.
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04-25-2024 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
Again, from the site:
You can also select the gender of the people you’d like to match with on Bumble Date. When joining Bumble, if you’re using Date mode, you’ll be taken to a screen asking you who you’d like to date. You can choose from men, women, nonbinary people, a selection of two options, or everyone on the app.

What I've been saying FROM THE START, is I'm betting that some (and I don't want to get into the weeds why this is), trans gender men specify their sex as a biological woman. That's why you're seeing it in your feed.

Otherwise... again, for the umpteenth time, contact the dating app. Because they are CLAIMING something different from what you are saying. So either it's a bug... or... and this really is the point, and why this absurd conversation has gone on this long...

... it's an evil liberal conspiracy to get straight men like you to become attracted to trans men, and convert you.... (da da da)... to love dick!

Can't believe I participated in this at all. I honestly feel dirty... and I'm out.
Dude, he's getting trans WOMEN in his feed, not trans men. This has been stated from the beginning.



There is no bug. This is exactly what the company wants, and exactly how it is explained on their website, as posted here by either you or another of your dense buddies.
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04-25-2024 , 03:01 PM
Chillrob, did you figure out what those facts were that allowed you to conclude Lia Thomas transitioned in order to compete against woman in order to have a better swimming win/loss record?

Last edited by jjjou812; 04-25-2024 at 03:11 PM.
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04-25-2024 , 03:02 PM
In the UK, it's a criminal offence to obtain or seek to obtain sex by deception, which includes deceiving the other person as to what sex you actually are. Trans activists (who are not usually trans themselves) keep trying to get this law changed, but, as the change they want would have the effect of legalising rape in certain circumstances, it's probably not going to happen.
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