you go back to building strawmen



drum it down to basics

if andrew tate bought 2p2 next week, he wouldn't need to give out any instructions or create any new rules whatsoever



he'd simply thank gangsta and bobo for their service and install someone like luciom as a politics mod - then it sorts itself out



and again, I can't emphasize enough, I'm not making any position on trans anything regarding CBC coverage

I'm simply saying that you're wildly ignorant statement that it's a truly independent organization was wildly ignorant - it will blow in any direction the administration blows - there may not be marching orders coming down but if the people running it don't run it in a manner that is agreeable with the people funding it, they'll certainly find a replacement who will and it's just insane for you to hand wave that away

So cute. Except, of course, that the crown corporation which has deliberately arms length approach from the government and is editorially independent as written into the law isn’t well explained by a reductionist metaphor about forums and their moderators. I’m glad you are far far far far from lozen’s initial conspiracy theory at this point - progress imo - but you’ve settled on a point so vague and contextless as to be utterly meaningless.

jesus christ you are just willfully obtuse whenever it suits your own narrative - it's terrifying to me that you are an educator because there's no way you're this bag of rocks level of stupid - which thus shows you're happy to put on the blinders and seek confirmation bias - which is an inexcusable trait for someone teaching the next generation

This all seems like a very silly argument. Arguing about whether something will be suppressed instead of waiting a day or two to find out if it is?

And then it looks like it has already been put on the radio in Canada, so it obviously wasn't suppressed. I'm definitely interested in reading/watching/hearing this story whenever we can get an English version of it, which I have to imagine won't be long. Maybe Montreal can give us more details even before that.

Nah This is what easter is all about

Ihiv, Ricksomething or Dr. Fakey? I should do a poll.

Those mother ****ers. Making national ferret day and national peanut butter and jelly sandwich day on national reconciliation day? You can't reconcile ferrets and sandwiches.

Yup editorial independence when the head of the CBC is chosen by Heritage Minister whom is appointed by Justin Trudeau . As well the government funds the CBC to the tune of 1.4 billion $ .

CBC is so far left it makes Rachel Maddow look like a centrist

fwiw this is what neutral third parties say of CBC political leaning

Rachel Maddow is a centrist. She's a corporatist war hawk ffs.

You don't think that puts her firmly on the right?

Depends how you define things of course. On war in particular, she is legit to the right of most of America. On corporatism kind of stuff, she might be slightly left of average for America, which is way right of most of Europe. She's only "left" on culture war issues like her haircut.

Thats right, editorial independence as written into the law. Absolutely nothing like your pure conspiracy theory that the government would or even could shut down a story on trans rights exists. Absolute embarrassing nonsense.

You’re also very wrong on the claim about bias, but that is less bad than the conspiracy theory.

Tha is a lot of vitriol from a guy because you don't put any stock in his opinion based solely on his "I was a reporter, let me tell you how government funded news organizations really operate despite the law" antidotal evidence.

This is the network that at the beckoning of Justin Trudeau published false stories about Danielle Smith running for Premier of the province of Alberta to support the NDP . Once they were proven false after the election no apology just quietly deleting the stories

Of course you love the CBC as they promote the false narrative on the carbon tax

Ya buddy, you can be mad about any particular piece of reporting (although you do a bad job at describing what is happening), but none of that gets you one iota closer to the ridiculous conspiracy theory that "the government will shut down" a story they don't like. In truth, it is literally the law that the CBC is editorially independent and they can't do this and there is zero evidence they have done it.

your failure to recognize that you are standing upon an even more absurd hill in the belief that the CBC is impossible to influence makes you a real clown here

in absolute terms, you're both wrong, but he's much closer to reality than you are

Are you guys continuing the discussion that started when lozen whined that the CBC would never publish a story that they had already published?

Did the CBC disrespectfully publish that story on Easter or something?

I didn't claim the CBC is "impossible to influence". They aren't going to turn into Pravda. But absolutely nothing like lozen's conspiracy theory of how that could influence a specific story has any basis in reality. It's pure nonsense.

kinda but that's more uke's straw man argument

they are mostly debating the level of influence on the CBC, which uke idiotically claims is zero

problem is you've said repeatedly that they are not influenced and wholly independent - perhaps you should focus less on the outrage of what others wrote and more on what you are literally typing yourself mmmkay

CBC published it? Radio Canada did in french ? I am sure that will reach the masses in Canada

to further illustrate this point

there is a reality where what lozen believes could be case happens actually happens - it only takes a single bad actor and could be as benign as voicing displeasure of it when the upcoming coverage is casually mentioned at a social setting to someone actually getting wind of it and deciding to make a phone call

while unlikely and there's no evidence of it, it is possible



compared to the impossible fantasy of uke's that there is no possible iteration in any version of the multiverse in which CBC acts with zero outside influence - lozen is the reasonable here




while I think both sides are wrong here, lozen is operating in a world that could physically exist (with very few physical barriers preventing it) whereas uke is dealing with idealistic fantasy land

No, I reported a legal fact:
I didn't say there was exactly zero "self-censorship" or that your vague mechanism has some level of soft influence, but in reality there is absolutely nothing within a country mile of the kind of influence described by lozen and you haven't provided a single example illustrating well anything. That's pure conspiracy theory.

For people who actually read the CBC regularly - like me, as I do multiple Canadian news organizations - the main political bias that is a constant frustration is how they always are so hyper focused on being NON-partisan. They too often become stenographers for ALL the parties, with an article that quotes a mouthpiece for the conservatives and for the liberals like as opposed to taking strong stands themselves.

Neither "Corporatist" (though I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that) nor "war hawk" really go into determining how far left or right someone is in the modern day US.
There have always been hawks and non-interventionalists in both major parties (or at least for the last 100 years).