Do you think telling people that they might be born in the wrong body could lead to suicide as well?

I would guess that *******s constantly demeaning, mocking, and belittling trans kids plays a much bigger role, but I understand why you aren't comfortable talking about that.

I would think that's pretty minor compared to the ideology that leads them to believe that cutting off their sex organs is the answer to all their problems.

And then they cut them off and find that the problems still exist. After that, suicide.

Does this mean its bad to reject any people, or just bad to reject some people?

Good thing the ideology you've described is a nonsense parody you've invented.

Kinda sucks that the bullying and hate is for real.

Yes, the higher rate of suicides amongst the lgbtq population can be directly linked to the oppression of heteronormativity rather than simply some implication that being lgbtq is naturally tied to mental illness. We get treated differently, badly, by mainstream society, we internalise the idea that it's our own fault, we lose self esteem as a result.

I can't say that no-one is telling anyone else they're in the wrong body, I'm sure it happens, but it probably happens way less than you think. Trans people know they're trans, often from a very young age, and before they develop the language to know what it would mean to 'be in the wrong body'.

This just isn't true, otherwise you wouldn't have people who detransition for one.

He’s not saying this accounts for all cases.

Yes and I'm saying that it isn't true that "trans people know they are trans often from an early age".

Gay males don't even figure out they're gay until around 8-10 but Wazz wants us thinking that people know they're supposed to be a different sex earlier than that?

Some lgbt people know they're gay earlier than that, at least anecdotally, but gender and sexuality are not the same, even though they interact with each other so closely, and many trans people report knowing that they were born in the wrong body before they have the language even to understand that feeling of dysphoria or what gender even means. It would be foolish of you to dismiss those claims even if you were an expert in the field.

I cannot understand what connection you're implying about those who detransition. There will be many trans people for whom transitioning will improve their mental health; there will be some for whom they think transitioning will improve their mental health, but it turns out that it comes with its own set of problems that they aren't equipped to face, so they consider transitioning back. Let them. Society will not suffer a jot if we let people be who they want to be. Only bigots will suffer, and even that suffering is only to their sense of the way the world should be, i.e. there is no material aspect to it.

I wasn't calling someone out because they were critical of "gender ideology", but because he was being a complete ******* about Dylan. This is an irrelevant anonymous internet forum, nothing really matters here, but I pointed out that people saying that kind of bigoted **** in highschools where trans kids are well established to have high suicide rates linked to discrimination and rejection from their communities it reads a little different. Arguing we shouldn't be *******s to trans people in schools shouldn't be "inflammatory".

High Schools are were Trans Kids have high Suicide rates ??? I think High school kids in general have had higher suicide rates amongst all students especially girls and that seems to be linked to social media as that is when the rates began to climb . From the parents I know and one that has had a Gay, Bi, and Now trans son they seem to be very accepting to him according to his mom

ffs man, stop embarrassing yourself. We've covered this so many times in the trans thread. Here's just one Canadian study for you:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/princ...cide-1.6487787

Every time you deflect with other cohorts and their rates, but buddy just for once in your ****ing like read that quote back and forth a dozen times and stop with this BS.

Are transgender kids attempting/committing suicide at a higher rate b/c of the bullying? What I mean: From the article's stats, is the thinking that Canadian transgender kids are 7.6 times more likely to experience bullying, which then correlates with that increase in suicide attempts? I realize it won't be exact, but within a reasonable standard deviation.

No-one is claiming it is one to one like that, but yes we've cited many studies in these threads showing both that for trans populations, discrimination, family rejection, and violence all contribute to increased suicide ideation and attempts, and this shouldn't be surprising as these align with risk factors in the general population as well.

Gunching. I don't think this has much to do with Mulvaney or Trans people per se, but rather the perception that Bud Light picked a side in the culture war.

what about other people that suffer discrimination, estrangement from family for various reasons and even violence?

I don't understand what distinctions we're making here - and certainly we're devoid of solutions. believe that

If the prime factors related to suicide are these, that doesnt seem to be an argument to allow early transitioning, but, instead to increase the education/funding/whatever it is to decrease all these things

Im a bit on fence on transitioning medically pre adulthood and am still exploring the topic. If it was shown that medically transitioning early helped mental health that would be really useful.

We do react to those things- you can have your kids taken away from you for example

I mean... it's a big bad world unfortunately, always has been. catatonic and comfortable seems like a good idea lol. It's unfortunate these kids haven't had it too good.

neither did James Hetfield.

there's no answer to it but the most high. man certainly isn't gonna find his way out of anything to anyone's satisfaction. that's why history is so immense, all the way back through the centuries, He was weighing the hearts of men.

Billy Graham talks about the 20th century? being termed The Christian Century, owing to the optimism in the US and Europe that we were poised to solve poverty and aggression and social justice and everything else, and lo and behold - it was nonstop lunacy.

It's also important that you have a comparator group who received treatment for mental health.

I always thought the song bread fan was because James was a drunk and what do drunks eat when their tummy rumbles and head spins? Bread!

https://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...Y47QI1ZV8HUHW0

Diana would have been removed from twitter pre elon.

This says that the player in question picked up women (upside down?) and dropped them on their heads! If that kind of thing is allowed by the rules of rugby, it has bigger problems than allowing a man to play in a women's league. It seems like people would be getting paralyzed in every game.