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07-28-2023 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by LirvA
I think just tasting Bud Light would put people off it.
Never tried it. Actual Czech Budweiser is so much better than American Budweiser that there's no point going there.
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07-28-2023 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Gender affirming care. The vast majority of which is counseling and therapy supporting social transition, a minority of which is hormone therapies, and a fraction of that is surgeries which are very rare for people under 18, and the most common of those are things like facial surgeries, and then top surgeries and a tiny almost vanishing fraction of that is bottom surgeries. Using the word "mutilating" is just being a deliberately provocative with the most grotesque and inflammatory terminology you can come up with, which of course is exactly why you use those words.

If you think every celebrity who has had a boob job - no, better example, every cancer survivor who had a mastectomy or hysterectomy is "mutilating and castrating" themselves well good luck with that.
Its a point I would think is unarguably agreeable between rational persons from both sides of the political spectrum which is in general things like puberty blockers and especially related surgeries are probably in unquestionably a bad idea (although is some instances possibly or probably make sense).

For me tho there is something else intrinsically wrong with the movement to try to validate a trans persons as if they are actually of the sex of the gender they identify as. Gender seems to loose its meaning, and I think the farther people lean left the more they would answer 'SO WHAT, WTF IS WRONG WITH THAT, WHY IS GENDER SO IMPORTANT TO YOU!'...

but in world without defined genders, how is gender dysphoria possible?
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07-28-2023 , 03:19 PM
I mean for example if a male wants to wear a dress because that makes him feel like a woman and he likes that....

at some point its just men wearing dresses. Its not a woman thing any more. So I wonder what the gender dysphoric person is truly reaching for.
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07-28-2023 , 03:28 PM
You keep wondering, buddy, and let us know if your wondering results in anything we can use.
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07-28-2023 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Its amazing that we call individuals like Elon and Peterson Bigots and Trans Phobes for the sole reason they do not think we should castrate children or mutilate their bodies and men shouldnt compete against women
Seriously? That's the sole reason that Elon and Peterson get called out? Just because "they do not think we should castrate children or mutilate their bodies and men shouldnt compete against women"? LO****ingL.

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Originally Posted by lozen
comparing trans gender to cancer ? are you calling it a disease now?
Wow, your posting just gets worse and worse. When will the slide end?

Nice job using "are you calling it a disease then" to just skate right on by his very valid points about your constant "castrating and mutilating" line. You're becoming quite the master at leaving one point when the discussion gets difficult and moving on to another.
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07-28-2023 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Seriously? That's the sole reason that Elon and Peterson get called out? Just because "they do not think we should castrate children or mutilate their bodies and men shouldnt compete against women"? LO****ingL.


Wow, your posting just gets worse and worse. When will the slide end?

Nice job using "are you calling it a disease then" to just skate right on by his very valid points about your constant "castrating and mutilating" line. You're becoming quite the master at leaving one point when the discussion gets difficult and moving on to another.
Comparing trans surgery to a mastectomy for a cancer patient please . How you can compare those two is baffling. One your removing a breast otherwise you die the other your removing a perfectly healthy breast I am not sure but I do believe you need to be 18 to get a boob job . Mastectomies for minors do they even occur

Im not a fan of everything Jordan or Elon says but the go to line for the left Your a racist your a bigot whenever you do not agree with anything they say.

Please show me how they are racist?
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07-28-2023 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Comparing trans surgery to a mastectomy for a cancer patient please . How you can compare those two is baffling. One your removing a breast otherwise you die the other your removing a perfectly healthy breast I am not sure but I do believe you need to be 18 to get a boob job . Mastectomies for minors do they even occur
Continuing to just skate right on by his very valid points about your constant "castrating and mutilating" line, I see.

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Originally Posted by lozen
Im not a fan of everything Jordan or Elon says but the go to line for the left Your a racist your a bigot whenever you do not agree with anything they say.
Um, OK. So you understand that just because "they do not think we should castrate children or mutilate their bodies and men shouldn't compete against women", is not the only reason they get called out as bigots, right?

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Originally Posted by lozen
Please show me how they are racist?
Why? I have no idea if they are, which is why I've made no such claim.
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07-28-2023 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Continuing to just skate right on by his very valid points about your constant "castrating and mutilating" line, I see.


Um, OK. So you understand that just because "they do not think we should castrate children or mutilate their bodies and men shouldn't compete against women", is not the only reason they get called out as bigots, right?


Why? I have no idea if they are, which is why I've made no such claim.
Hey you may be offended but the actual fact is when you give children puberty blockers you are chemically castrating them . When you remove a perfectly health breast other than breast reduction I will stand by my statement it is mutilation . Now if your an adult all the power to you.
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07-28-2023 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Hey you may be offended but the actual fact is when you give children puberty blockers you are chemically castrating them . When you remove a perfectly health breast other than breast reduction I will stand by my statement it is mutilation . Now if your an adult all the power to you.
How often do you imagine breast reduction surgeries are done on children?
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07-28-2023 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
How often do you imagine breast reduction surgeries are done on children?
See we all agree it should at the least be something very seldom done. I think that there is just a push back from the pre elon twitter era wear questioning this kind of a thing was actively moderated and pushed down and out.
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07-28-2023 , 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
How often do you imagine breast reduction surgeries are done on children?
Never Just as they should not be done on trans children
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07-28-2023 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
You don't consider that inflammatory?
Why would it be inflammatory to note trans people suffer from higher suicide rates?
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07-28-2023 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
comparing trans gender to cancer ? are you calling it a disease now?
Yikes. It’s past time for some serious self reflection lozen, this isn’t a good look on you.
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07-28-2023 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Hey you may be offended but the actual fact is when you give children puberty blockers you are chemically castrating them . When you remove a perfectly health breast other than breast reduction I will stand by my statement it is mutilation . Now if your an adult all the power to you.
Which doesn't really address much of what uke said:

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Originally Posted by uke_master
Gender affirming care. The vast majority of which is counseling and therapy supporting social transition, a minority of which is hormone therapies, and a fraction of that is surgeries which are very rare for people under 18, and the most common of those are things like facial surgeries, and then top surgeries and a tiny almost vanishing fraction of that is bottom surgeries. Using the word "mutilating" is just being a deliberately provocative with the most grotesque and inflammatory terminology you can come up with, which of course is exactly why you use those words.
You constantly just reduce everything down to "mutilating and castrating" whenever the topic of gender affirming care comes up. I went through a statistical breakdown several weeks ago of how rare surgeries are, but of course it's still all just "mutilating and castrating", "mutilating and castrating" for you like some kind of right wing talking point parrot. It's sad.

And you seem to have missed:

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Um, OK. So you understand that just because "they do not think we should castrate children or mutilate their bodies and men shouldn't compete against women", is not the only reason they get called out as bigots, right?
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07-28-2023 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jbouton
but in world without defined genders, how is gender dysphoria possible?
Think of it as a set of symptoms some people have. That is true regardless of whatever bad Phil 101 thesis you are in about.
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07-28-2023 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Which doesn't really address much of what uke said:


You constantly just reduce everything down to "mutilating and castrating" whenever the topic of gender affirming care comes up. I went through a statistical breakdown several weeks ago of how rare surgeries are, but of course it's still all just "mutilating and castrating", "mutilating and castrating" for you like some kind of right wing talking point parrot. It's sad.

And you seem to have missed:
Feel free to enlighten me how they are Bigots ?
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07-28-2023 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by lozen
Feel free to enlighten me how they are Bigots ?
I haven't said they are bigots, I've said that they are called out as such for much more reason than just because "they do not think we should castrate children or mutilate their bodies and men shouldn't compete against women". Are you really not aware of their history, or are you just pretending like you aren't? Like, a quick Google finds me this:

https://www.them.us/story/elon-musk-...kes-anti-trans

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His “like” history includes tweets celebrating news that countries like Norway and states like Louisiana have recently passed bans on gender-affirming care for kids, one that interspersed footage of rainbow flags at New York’s Rockefeller Center with Nazi flags, and one that photoshopped a picture of Elliot Page wearing a shirt with the words “protect trans kids” to instead say "sterilize autistic children."
There was his oh-so-funny "My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci" tweet, his launching DeSantis's campaign on Twitter, and on and on it goes. Is he a bigot? I don't know, but he's certainly doing a lot more than "think[ing] we should castrate children or mutilate their bodies and men shouldn't compete against women" to make people believe he is.

Last edited by Bobo Fett; 07-28-2023 at 05:04 PM. Reason: Grammar - don't -> aren't.
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07-28-2023 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
There was his oh-so-funny "My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci" tweet, his launching DeSantis's campaign on Twitter, and on and on it goes. Is he a bigot? I don't know, but he's certainly doing a lot more than "think[ing] we should castrate children or mutilate their bodies and men shouldn't compete against women" to make people believe he is.
Thats all out of context tho because its in pushback to the evidence that he pulled out of twitter that state was interfering with free speech and a leftist/marxist driven moderation policy was protecting obvious child abuse.
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07-28-2023 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jbouton

but in world without defined genders, how is gender dysphoria possible?
They don't believe in undefined genders.
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07-28-2023 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Why would it be inflammatory to note trans people suffer from higher suicide rates?
Weren't you trying to use that to castigate those opposed to gender ideology?
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07-28-2023 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Weren't you trying to use that to castigate those opposed to gender ideology?
Can you explain wtf you're getting at here? Because I'm also confused.
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07-28-2023 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Can you explain wtf you're getting at here? Because I'm also confused.
Uke called something inflammatory but he himself was being inflammatory yesterday when he brought up trans suicide rates in the context in which he did.
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07-28-2023 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Uke called something inflammatory but he himself was being inflammatory yesterday when he brought up trans suicide rates in the context in which he did.
Why is that inflammatory?
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07-28-2023 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Why is that inflammatory?
Because there is no reason to believe that people who have beliefs that go against gender ideology are responsible for trans suicides, amongst other things.
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07-28-2023 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
Because there is no reason to believe that people who have beliefs that go against gender ideology are responsible for trans suicides, amongst other things.
Actually there are reasons. We know that the feelings of rejection are correlated with suicide in the trans population, and in general there are good theories about suicide and poor social connectivity.
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