GG Hong Kong, China needs to be more fair

So Scottish scientists just released a report into the spread of CV in Scotland, confirming a lot of the stuff we thought already. Not much direct transmission from country(ies) of virus origin, the vast majority from travelers returning from European hot spots. An interesting and relevant to this thread observation from an article about it I thought worth sharing:

I doubt many have an interest in reading the actual report, as it pertains to Scotland only, but here it is if you change your mind.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...834v1.full.pdf

Second wave of Covid19 hits Beijing
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-c...ay-2020-06-16/

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020...na-market.html

Funny how the virus getting in the capital where the party luminaries live gets the CCP to move on food safety in a hurry.

I wonder if this means the CCP are actually gonna do anything viable or if it means they're gonna "discipline" (or purge) a few scapegoats as a PR or internal power struggle move.

China alleged to be behind Australian cyber attack
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-...iness/12372470

They might do something viable, it is a strangely pragmatic culture.

But purges will happen. The purges are not an incidental part of the system that happens just because someone wants them to. They are at the core of what drives the totalitarian communist state. Anyone can be purged, because it is impossible for the party to fail people, people fail the party. If you don't purge when errors are made public, the party can't be perfect. Since the party is perfect, you purge.

It is perhaps best exemplified by the purging of Zhao Ziyang and Hu Yaobang (both general secretaries of the Communist Party of China in the 80s) after the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989. Today their lives are largely censored and removed from Chinese history books. Being top dog insulates you for sure, but it doesn't render you immune.

Should the US, Europe, Australia continue to allow Chinese Nationals in their schools for study abroad? Seems like it's just educating the next generation of the CCP.

They are doing some kind of ad blitz on YouTube, on pretty expensive channels too. I've been getting ads to channels made within the past few weeks, all with essentially the same message: stop making Beijing act and Beijing was within its rights. Oh, by the, it's all HK's fault for not enacting the laws on its own.

the cream of the crop all go to a niche university for post grad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centra...Party_of_China

while many influential people are foreign educated, there is a major bias against them for prominent positions and is often seen as a negative as far as optics are concerned

it's basically to the point where if a top politician's child goes to tsinghua or peking u you know he/she has a political career in mind but if they go to school abroad then they'll be in business side of things

Is China going to retaliate to the UK and others who are doing their best to undermine China's grip on HK?

The UK already bent the knee from what I can see. China threatened HSBC, whose board is predominantly British and China is a major income source, to back the security law "or else". Huawei got approved for their 5G research center in England. China is using it's leverage and getting results.

China is a rogue nation that needs to be stood up too. We all turned a blind eye while they abused tortured and killed their own citizenry because of economics.

Now they are a powerhouse that doesn't obey international law and bully smaller nations. What they are doing to the two Michaels is a travesty.

woah woah woah

i highly suggest you look into the background of that issue

we literally imprisoned the daughter of the ceo of the biggest corporations in the world because they did business in Iran, an ally of China

this is fundamentally no different than China arresting Mark Zuckerburg for operating Facebook in Taiwan

Not defending the retatiation, my heart goes out to those two guys who got caught in the crossfire but it's patently absurd to view us as the victim here when we started it all arbitrarily by arresting the CEO's daughter, we've held her almost 2 years already

Rickroll,

I like you but I think you just view everything China related through rose colored glasses, and have bad takes because of it.

She wasn't arbitrarily arrested. She was arrested for specific crimes and is going through the legal process and will have her day in court. I understand she is out on bail now as the legal process resumes, and she has her own lawyers arguing for her case through the legal system.

Here is a summary of the charges per Wikipedia:

According to Crown counsel in Canadian court, Meng was "charged with conspiracy to defraud multiple international institutions."[27] The warrant was based on allegations that Wanzhou had cleared money that was claimed to be for Huawei, but was actually for Skycom,[28] an entity claimed to be entirely controlled by Huawei, which was said to be dealing with Iran, contrary to sanctions.

The two Canadians were just arbitrarily arrested and are being held in prison under very uncertain humanitarian conditions indefinitely with no charges.

The CCPs actions are not defensible at all.

And now the situation has become a standoff whether a rogue 3rd world totalitarian regime can get away with just arbitrarily imprisoning citizens of other countries to subvert the laws of said countries.

i'm not saying she didn't violate US law

but I find it absurd that a Chinese citizen not physically located in the US would be arrested for violating laws the US created regarding interactions with Iran

this is like the US arresting evey dutchmen visiting the united states for prostitution and marijuana back in their home country

i was legit concerned about my own safety when this happened because china is that ffed up to take it out on innocent bystanders to force a quid pro quo but I still in no good conscience can defend a country imposing their own laws on people whose crimes were neither committed in that country nor were they even physically located in that country when it occurred

the world will be a very scary place if the de facto super power is allowed to do such things and we all just look the other way and the chinese are now going to add this to their playbook getting friendly countries like Pakistan to arrest people from Thailand or wherever that they are having issues with

I wouldn't call China 3rd world.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...105910775.html

China is 4th world lol 3rd world don’t think too lowly of them

Only fools would believe the us government. Honestly if the u.s. government tell u to go left, u better go right. So why can’t we trade with Iran again? What’s the reason 4 sanctions? Americans have more freedom maybe, but is that better? A lot of Americans live pay Cheque to pay cheque, u r a slave to ur boss for a lot of hours a month to barely enjoy your life. Modern slave with perceive freedom. Don’t get me wrong China isn’t perfect but I think it is a better system than America but lucky I live in canada and it’s better then both. Honestly I don’t know which system is better but what I know is they all have pros and cons. Let’s merge the west and East’s pro and leave the cons.

This is interesting and good to know but business is what funds the country so we're still educating people to enhance the country overall.
We don't have a problem with Saudi Arabia so why should we do anything to China I guess. Just keep making the right people oodles of cash and you can do whatever you want I guess.

Huawei phones are much better relative to price than Iphones. Probably the same is true for their 5G equipment (relative to Cisco). At the bottom this was a typically desperate US protectionist move. An empire in decline grabbing by force what it doesn't deserve.

Calling China 3rd world shows a certain lack of awareness.

USA might ban Tiktok. I've never used it but apparently its created by chinese. Through the app the company is able to triangulate a lot of information. India banned last week i believe. I am sure the chinese are able to collect a **** ton of data through that stupid app similiar to facebook.

TikTok is awesome, all tech spies not just the Chinese. Don’t be ignorant. Tiktok needs to be divested to a good a western company then please don’t ban it