Posted elsewhere and thought I'd share here

In case anyone is living under a rock and missed what's going on around Wuhan:

• At least 14 cities on lockdown, some of them with blocked roadways and tunnels
  
• At least 50 million people quarantined
  
• Travel between cities is prohibited
  
• Going on the street is prohibited
  
• Police in hazmat suits with rifles
  
• Chinese government officials (same gov that hide and censor everything) admit things are getting worse
  
• Researchers are saying that the disease is much more dangerous than is publicly spoken about (contagious even when the host don't feel any symptoms)
  
• Nurses and doctors on the verge of mental breakdowns, treating more than 100 patients a day per doctor.
  
• Doctors estimate that at least 90k-100k people are infected in Hubei alone
  
• All the hospitals are full (obviously).

Very cool if true but let's be realistic that's more likely to be a mass grave.

https://youtu.be/wEkIdGht-S8

Most of what I’ve read suggests the virus is pretty bad but China is still overreacting with the quarantines and police in hazmat suits with rifles. They are creating a panic and actually creating Petri dish like conditions that makes things worse.

Then this Chinese researcher says it may spread before symptoms (HUGE deal if true, but extremely unlikely given what we know of infection rates so far and what we know of how corona viruses behave usually.) They are also not sharing the data with the rest of the world, with WHO and CDC undoubtedly asking for the data but apparently not getting it. The Chinese authorities are in pure ass covering mode and basically making almost every textbook mistake there is.

You know it's serious when Eugene Gu, Mentally Deranged thinks it's just a cold. https://twitter.com/eugenegu/status/1221234090759745536

Not sure what "anti-vaxxers" have to do with this or what the hell "racist clout" is, and how it's relevant to this.

If anything they should've acted earlier, before the virus spread worldwide.

I don't wanna go full tinfoil hat but it's an interesting coincidence that 2 pathogen labs involved with coronaviruses are located within a 20 miles radius of the outbreak.





Also this news from 6 months ago:

Really makes you think.

Gotta just be a coincidence.

That’s pretty tindoily. I don’t think this coronavirus is even quite weapons grade stuff.

CDC stats on the common flu

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/past-seasons.html

The corona virus China is trying to quarantine is definitely more virulent but not shockingly so compared to some of the worse flu seasons that barely warranted a CNN headline.

Come to think of it... if this stuff was leaked from the labs, it would explain the overreaction. Maybe they overestimated their own weapons.

Cannot find the above language in the linked article, but background on the 'spies' is provided.

Also:

not very sensational. She's a boss and saving lives.

Luckbox will be disappointed.

Sealing off the city is a mistake? The city isn't equipped for the amount of medical attention needed so they should just let everyone go about their business as normal? I guess instead of building a hospital from the ground up they should be able to appropriate some kind of building and start using it as a triage center. Maybe they're not doing something perfect but at least they're not sitting on their hands anymore.
They've banned all group tours to my country which I appreciate.

Yeah, sealing it off is a mistake. It's also a mistake to create a stampede to hospitals to make it impossible to properly diagnose people. Worse, it makes it a certainty you're exposing weak and vulnerable people to even more diseases. Going by the numbers known so far, it seems likely less than 1 out of a hundred actually got diagnosed with the virus. That makes it almost a certainty every hospital has some cases... just sitting in line, exposing the hundreds/thousands of other people waiting in line but aren't yet infected.

See this article specifically calling out border controls as ineffective and counterproductive.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ould-backfire/

People who were sick on the eve of the ban bailed out of Wuhan (and in some cases China) to avoid the quarantine. Meanwhile, people who really shouldn't be at the hospital are overwhelming scarce resources.

Two more articles pretty much saying Chinese officials are overreacting to cover their asses:
https://www.brown.edu/news/2020-01-24/coronavirus
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...avirus/605455/

Either China is hiding a lot more cases/deaths (maybe all the way to conspiratard land where they unintentionally released a bio weapon from the lab) or they are just severely overreacting.

I'd give the benefit of the doubt to any other country but considering this is China were talking about it's safe to assume they're hiding the real numbers.

Based on all the videos I've seen from nurses having mental breakdowns, doctors dead on the floor and all the hospitals being full, it's probably closer to over 100k infected than the 2700 reported.




This image is outdated but still, the total confirmed cases graph speaks for itself. Regardless of the real numbers **** is escalating quickly.

is the coronoa virus a flu or a cold or worse than the flu?

im getting mxed reports

Quarantine is basic protocol and saves lives. I don't see how you can possibly argue against it. Every nation in the world enforces quarantines in the event of an epidemic.

SARs was a Coronavirus. Basically the same as the flu but no known treatment and it messes with your breathing so if you get it and you aren't in the best health already it could kill you.

SARs killed about 10% but it was mostly people over 60.

Too early to tell what mortality rate is on this one but likely to be similar to SARs. Last I checked about 50ish dead and only one was healthy beforehand.

A lot of people die if the flu each year as well and likewise predominantly people over 60. The real issue with new disease like this is that seeing like the flu is a known entity with a capped range of deadliness but something like this has an uncapped range and could ultimately be far worse.

For perspective SARs only infected <10k people globally. The fear is what it could have been not what it was.

If we're really talking about 60 (even 600) people dead out of hundreds of thousands of cases, then this coronavirus really doesn't amount to much more than another virus (and not even particular virulent strand) that causes the common cold/flu.

Nothing about this adds up. The most likely scenario, IMO and seemingly in the opinion of most experts (CDC types), is Chinese officials are in full on CYA mode.

There is a non-zero chance there is a mass grave (or a huge freezer) somewhere with hundreds of bodies but I seriously doubt that's the case after Xi publicly said China would be transparent and do everything it can to crush the epidemic.

PS: zero chance Wuhan "officials" are not shuttling their kids out of Wuhan and surrounding areas on government vehicles.

What are they CYA'ing over? Don't really see anything in the linked articles that this reaction is covering their @**, just an overreaction/non optimal way to approach the problem.

It's better to overreact than to risk being asked later why they didn't do something.

Direct quote from Brown article:
"I think that’s why there’s a certain amount of overreacting happening now — because people don’t want to be accused of underreacting. "

Direct quote from Atlantic article:
"China has a political stake in the appearance of an authoritative response. The regime was chastised for a slow response and concealing information in 2003, during the SARS coronavirus outbreak. This time, China’s action seems to be veering in the opposite direction. " (same paragraph does mention WHO's Tedros Adhanom praised China for cooperation and transparency. Same man is mentioned as asking for more information in other other articles.)

They can even take credit for the virus naturally dying.

The Chinese authorities are banking on people (including the rest of the world's health authorities, against the recommendations of WHO) overreacting and blowing this all out of proportion to, in essence, make sure Xi is happy. Given the circumstances, there are no real political downsides to overreaction but plenty of potential upside.

Either that or they are literally hiding hundreds of dead bodies.

ok at first I thought we were facing a avian bird flu or ebola type of situation. I posted teh link last week or several day ao when it was first surfacing but didnt keep up with the news

I thought the same thing when I heard they quarantined Wuhan and my WeChat started flooding with messages of people buying face masks in the hundreds to airship to China. The words national disaster were mentioned. Then I read the headlines and I was like 20 dead with 1000 diagnosed and went... huh?

Almost an hour later, I emerged convinced coronavirus is most likely going to be just another way to get the common cold. By next year, in two years at most, assuming the virus doesn’t just completely die out like SARS did, vaccines will be readily available and very likely become part of our annual flu shots.

Wait what? Do you have a source for police in hazmats with rifles?

Travel is not banned either. Only Wuhan is quarantined

Can book all kinds of transport right now from anywhere. But interestingly, if you search for Wuhan you'll see it's temporarily removed from the system. Probably easier to remove it as a destination.

A big issue is of course China's lacking regulation of food safety and lax bio-security in the agricultural sector, which have been the subject of international criticism a long time. Often there is a significant difference between rural and urban areas when it comes to these subjects, but on matters of epidemiology you generally need both. The dangers of flu and flu-like viruses are amplified if they spread quickly.

https://twitter.com/2mmbPkM00IJwIUV/...41783417147392

Thank you for sharing the links, that's very interesting

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/chin...s-high-2170539

"Woops, sorry"