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03-19-2021 , 08:43 PM
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I don't have a deep answer on China. They are an ever emerging problem but they are intent to march on regardless of attempts to slow them. China is playing the long game and Western Nations have very little tolerance for short or medium term pain for long term gains and China knows that. China has most of the 'hand' right now.
I think you nailed that correctly.
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03-25-2021 , 10:41 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...479_story.html

Corporations cut off Xinjiang cotton. Chinese state media and Chinese people (including expats) go apeshit and boycott H&M.

Nike and Addidas are also being targeted.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/..****-hnk-vpx.cnn

Global Times also made sure to push this:
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202103/1219411.shtml
reminding people Zara backed off boycotting Xinjiang cotton and kowtowed.

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04-05-2021 , 12:12 PM
https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pa...scars-ceremony

"Hong Kong's Leading TV Outlet Drops Oscars Ceremony"
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04-06-2021 , 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by grizy
https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pa...scars-ceremony

"Hong Kong's Leading TV Outlet Drops Oscars Ceremony"
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In a statement to Hong Kong media outlets, a TVB spokesperson said, “It was purely a commercial decision that we decided not to pursue the Oscars this year."

Yet China’s state media Global Times offered a different reason. In an article published Tuesday, the outlet quoted film experts in China, saying that the decision was not likely a commercial one.

"The true reason is the Academy’s nomination of Do Not Split, a short documentary that recorded the protests and violence in Hong Kong in 2019, as well as the nominations given to controversial Chinese director Chloe Zhao’s Nomadland," Global Times said. Zhao has been the subject of an online backlash in China after comments critical of Beijing from 2013 surfaced.
Nice.
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04-10-2021 , 12:15 PM
China ups its sabre rattling with Taiwan
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04-10-2021 , 12:21 PM
got any good vids from Jonestown or the Branch Davidians?
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04-10-2021 , 12:27 PM
Ah I was waiting for our resident CCP mouthpiece to appear and instantly mock a video he hasn't even watched so as not to incur the chagrin of his CCP overlords.

Here's some more fake news for you to condemn
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-...alia/100056942

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/07/a...-ml/index.html

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4158996

Especially the last link seeing as it's from Taiwan ergo an untrustworthy troublemaker...
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04-10-2021 , 12:33 PM
i'm the mouthpiece for pointing out you're sharing cult produced videos

whatever it takes to make yourself feel better man
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04-10-2021 , 12:43 PM
I am not sure what the dispute or contention is here.

I think China has not hid the fact they think Taiwan is solely under their jurisdiction and they would enforce their position if and when necessary.

I think China will restrain what actions they take as long as they feel that the rest of the Worlds ability to push back (especially the US) is a threat to them, but the day after China feels that power balance tips to them, you will see a much heavier hand of China on Taiwan and HK.

China typically has no issue using military power to end dissent and political opposition internally. They do not believe in rights protecting competing views. There is only one view and that is the State view. Everything else is illegal and to be put down with the full force of law or military and internal dissent gets the harshest treatment of all.
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04-10-2021 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
As incompetent as Trump was, he was the only president to ever push back and it remains to be seen if Biden is going to follow in his footsteps or follow tradition of empty gestures like publishing human rights reports and ignoring everything else in hopes of selling a few more Buicks

chinese were very polarized towards trump, on the one hand it was the first time they had an active challenge, on the other hand they couldn't believe their luck in how stupid the leader of their biggest rival was
TPP would have been a more substantive pushback than anything Trump did.
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04-10-2021 , 01:01 PM
to be clear, i'm not disputing the content of the video, i didn't even watch it

i'm just saying it's pretty unreasonable to be sharing anything literally produced by a cult who's leader is on public record talking about flying through space and curing cancer
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04-10-2021 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
I am not sure what the dispute or contention is here.

I think China has not hid the fact they think Taiwan is solely under their jurisdiction and they would enforce their position if and when necessary.

I think China will restrain what actions they take as long as they feel that the rest of the Worlds ability to push back (especially the US) is a threat to them, but the day after China feels that power balance tips to them, you will see a much heavier hand of China on Taiwan and HK.

China typically has no issue using military power to end dissent and political opposition internally. They do not believe in rights protecting competing views. There is only one view and that is the State view. Everything else is illegal and to be put down with the full force of law or military and internal dissent gets the harshest treatment of all.
The problem is no one is willing to push back as well corporate America is not going to say anything.

The Olympics should be an easy boycott for the world but we know Biden will never do it. All we will here about is Russia, Russia, Russia.
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04-10-2021 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Original Position
TPP would have been a more substantive pushback than anything Trump did.
that remains to be seen since it never happened but according to wiki

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The largest economy in the Pacific Rim not involved in the negotiations is China. According to the Brookings Institution in 2013, the most fundamental challenge for the TPP project regarding China was that "it may not constitute a powerful enough enticement to propel China to sign on to these new standards on trade and investment. China so far has reacted by accelerating its own trade initiatives in Asia."[47] In 2013, it was thought China might still be interested in joining the TPP eventually.[48] An academic analysis has shown that while the TPP would be more successful if China participated in it, the benefits to China are intangible.
china and korea are biggest exporters in asia and among the world, any regional trade agreement not including them won't amount to much imo since it doesn't include the biggest players

i think you believe in the power of bureacracy whereas i believe in the incomptence
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04-10-2021 , 02:02 PM
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i'm the mouthpiece for pointing out you're sharing cult produced videos

whatever it takes to make yourself feel better man
You've yet to provide any evidence Falun Gong is a cult despite being challenged to several times over and nobody rational cares about your CCP style demonization of them either.

You clearly didn't even watch the video as you responded six minutes after my post which is shorter than the video length. Your comment also clearly implied that the info contained was false, hence my other helpful links to you.

But keep bootlicking it's way entertaining to watch.
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04-10-2021 , 02:19 PM
corpus, i've shared the time magazine interview in the thread, falun gong being led by an absolute insane cult leader is not a subjective take up for debate

you sound a lot smarter when think before posting your nonsense, something to think about
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04-10-2021 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
that remains to be seen since it never happened but according to wiki

china and korea are biggest exporters in asia and among the world, any regional trade agreement not including them won't amount to much imo since it doesn't include the biggest players

i think you believe in the power of bureacracy whereas i believe in the incomptence
This misunderstands the purpose of the TPP, which was to provide a counterbalance to China's use of its market power among ASEAN countries and America's Asia-Pacific allies to force their own rules. The total size of the TPP free-market zone would have been larger because it would include access to the US market (and Japan, third largest economy in the world), totaling 40% of the world's economy.

As for exporting nations, in 2019 the US was the second-largest exporter in the world, Japan was fifth (ahead of South Korea), Mexico was 11, Canada, 12, Singapore 15, and Taiwan 17. And South Korea would likely have joined the TPP as well. However, more important is how much countries import, and here the US is first and Japan fourth, with overall TPP having 7 of the top 20 importing countries as members.

I don't know what this has to do with bureaucracy. This is about economic pressure, and whether America and its allies would counterbalance China's pressure among developing nations in Asia.
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04-10-2021 , 02:27 PM
op, i got you, but it's two of the biggest importers while leaving out two of the biggest exporters so while the tpp represented a massive amount of trade, i'm skeptical over how much would actually be between the members themselves, even the natural resources in sea are often brought to china or korea first for processing into final products first as well

but again, you believe in power of bureacracies, i don't, especially anything heavily led by the US, i can imagine tpp getting stuck on red tape and processes and ultimately getting ignored or shelved to guideline/conflict resolution status

it would have been helpful for sure, for what it's worth i was very upset when we pulled out, i'm just not sure it would been effective but that doesn't mean i didn't support it or at least want to try
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04-10-2021 , 02:28 PM
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corpus, i've shared the time magazine interview in the thread, falun gong being led by an absolute insane cult leader is not a subjective take up for debate

you sound a lot smarter when think before posting your nonsense, something to think about

This was already covered.You failed to provide any actual evidence Falun Gong are a bona fide actual cult and even if they were it would be irrelevant long as they weren't a criminal cult and again your intimation is the info contained in the vid you never watched was false, which I just disproved with my other links and you're welcome as I live to give.
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04-10-2021 , 02:29 PM
imagine defending sharing cult videos

since you seem incapable of googling time interview falungong... http://content.time.com/time/world/a...053761,00.html go ahead and read it, but i'm sure time magazine is a ccp sleeper agent or shill or whatever as well
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04-10-2021 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Original Position
This misunderstands the purpose of the TPP, which was to provide a counterbalance to China's use of its market power among ASEAN countries and America's Asia-Pacific allies to force their own rules. The total size of the TPP free-market zone would have been larger because it would include access to the US market (and Japan, third largest economy in the world), totaling 40% of the world's economy.

As for exporting nations, in 2019 the US was the second-largest exporter in the world, Japan was fifth (ahead of South Korea), Mexico was 11, Canada, 12, Singapore 15, and Taiwan 17. And South Korea would likely have joined the TPP as well. However, more important is how much countries import, and here the US is first and Japan fourth, with overall TPP having 7 of the top 20 importing countries as members.

I don't know what this has to do with bureaucracy. This is about economic pressure, and whether America and its allies would counterbalance China's pressure among developing nations in Asia.
Im not sure if you considered this. But I'm pretty sure nation ranking for exports, aka who is the biggest exporter goes for overall profit.

Every company is producing in Asia, think about Apple. They let produce parts in China and then put their label on it and export it to other nations. That's how almost all trade works nowadays. I Do not know if I trust these lists. For overall profit ok. But as far as I'm concerned everything comes from Asia.
Think about parts, cars phones, electronics.

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04-10-2021 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
imagine defending sharing cult videos

since you seem incapable of googling time interview falungong... http://content.time.com/time/world/a...053761,00.html go ahead and read it, but i'm sure time magazine is a ccp sleeper agent or shill or whatever as well
What is this? I'm reading it. Cults are always fascinating.

Edit. I wouldn't call it a cult if so many people are practicing it. If it's a cult it's one of the less harmful ones.

"China, there are more than 100 million who practice this. The official estimate of the number of practitioners is 60 million"
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04-10-2021 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
op, i got you, but it's two of the biggest importers while leaving out two of the biggest exporters so while the tpp represented a massive amount of trade, i'm skeptical over how much would actually be between the members themselves, even the natural resources in sea are often brought to china or korea first for processing into final products first as well

but again, you believe in power of bureacracies, i don't, especially anything heavily led by the US, i can imagine tpp getting stuck on red tape and processes and ultimately getting ignored or shelved to guideline/conflict resolution status

it would have been helpful for sure, for what it's worth i was very upset when we pulled out, i'm just not sure it would been effective but that doesn't mean i didn't support it or at least want to try
I'll note that TPP was not just a US-led initiative, but also pushed heavily by Japan and Singapore (ASEAN's best diplomats). You can see this by the fact that Japan pushed TPP through even after the US pulled out. And I still don't know why you are bringing up bureaucracies. Freer trade generally decrease the relevance of government bureaucracy to private commerce decisions.

And sure, I'm not saying it would have solved everything, just that it would have been more substantive than anything Trump did. It was quite frustrating watching the Trump administration, because their read was that while we shouldn't go to war with China, we were now in strategic conflict with it in the Asia-Pacific. Given that, it sure seems like the correct strategy would be to build better alliances with the weaker and smaller countries around China that were also becoming more worried about its rise, perhaps through a free-trade zone.
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04-10-2021 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by washoe
What is this? I'm reading it. Cults are always fascinating.

Edit. I wouldn't call it a cult if so many people are practicing it. If it's a cult it's one of the less harmful ones.

"China, there are more than 100 million who practice this. The official estimate of the number of practitioners is 60 million"
that's no different than saying scientology isn't a cult because it's a global organization

the core tenets of falungong are healing your body through qi and practicing esp, it's 100% a cult that instructs their members not to seek medical attention but rather meditate their ailments away

china has a pretty long history of cults, in the qing dynasty there was boxers and the taiping, the boxers literally believed they could use qi to make themselves bullet proof, that didn't work out so well, same with taiping, a rebellion responsible for the deaths of millions, nearly overthrew the qing and was led by a man attempting to create a christian theocratic china ldo since he was the literal brother of jesus - he too had millions of followers

education for the masses is a very new thing in china, it's mostly highly superstitious and uneducated peasant farmers, majority of chinese genuinely believe if you sleep with a fan on it'll kill you - i'm not exaggerating in the slightest

china has a massive population that is highly superstitious and undeducated with a religious void that is easily filled by cults by those looking for answers
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04-10-2021 , 03:09 PM
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Im not sure if you considered this. But I'm pretty sure nation ranking for exports, aka who is the biggest exporter goes for overall profit.

Every company is producing in Asia, think about Apple. They let produce parts in China and then put their label on it and export it to other nations. That's how almost all trade works nowadays. I Do not know if I trust these lists. For overall profit ok. But as far as I'm concerned everything comes from Asia.
Think about parts, cars phones, electronics.
Sometimes people who live in large cities have the impression that America doesn't produce anything anymore, but this is just wrong. Most of what the US exports is goods. For instance, the US is the biggest food exporter in the world, grown here in the states. In 2019 its largest export was capital goods (i.e. airplanes, industrial machines, electric and medical equipments, etc). Just behind that was industrial supplies, including oil and petroleum products, chemical fertilizers, plastic, etc. It also exports $61B in pharmaceuticals.

Of course, the US also exports services worth $876B of which only $117B is royalties and license fees.
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04-10-2021 , 03:25 PM
Don't forget shipping 37% of the world's arms @ 175 billion in 2020
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