What you are saying here is a sort of variant on what Monty also says and believes.

Monty's view is along the lines of 'i don't care what Trump is doing as he will neither be the nominee nor win'. He is comfortable in the odds and thus thinks any discussion on measures to counter what he is doing is a waste.

Your view is similar. Dems are losing regardless so no big deal.

I don't proceed on such assumptions. You take the steps if they are valid and needed or not, not based on if you think they will be needed or not.

The things Trump is doing are a threat even if he does not run in 2024 and even if the Dems are doomed to lose anyway.

Of course that is my opinion based upon the failure of the Dems to provide what they promised

In Georgia in my opinion they failed to deliver for the African American voter and Arizona Sinema never delivered on any of her promises which falls on the Dems

Of course its a long way out and any predictions 3 years out are at best speculation.



No I think Trump will be the nominee and win.

No question they are a threat to democracy if they do what you suspect they will do. I just do not think they will need to cheat in 2024

Very confusing to quote multiple posts that way I suspect the last thing e_d would want is my words attributed to him.

Again I suggest that you simply add =Cuepee to the word [Quote] so it shows the distinction [Quote=Cuepee] or address it in two separate posts.

And sure, I am fine with someone believing Trump or any 'R' will win. My points actually are not about who wins or not, just the failures in the system that leave it vulnerable to exploitation.

Good chance GA and AZ are decided by less than 3 points again, so you assigning “reasons” almost 3 years out why either side will lose is pretty lol. I guess it’s illustrative of why regular people are such sloppy thinkers in general

Weird I coulda sworn i saw this comment in another thread? Hmmm

Yeah, sorry multiple tabs on a phone.

Monty, when you suggest you see me going down Shuffle like rabbit holes on this Trump Riggie stuff are you referring to me reading and citing articles like this, which are almost exclusively the types of articles I am reading and citing, when not also referencing podcast or legal round tables?

I think, as i understand your view (correct me if I am wrong) that you think efforts to shine a spotlight on the above, to discuss the above and especially to counter the above are a waste of time and effort and brain power, because you understand the betting odds and in your Trump is not likely running and certainly not winning if he does.

So based on you holding that position (which I don't necessarily disagree with as I think it is unlikely (health) that Trump runs) then you think discussing all this is a Shuffle like exercise.

Is that accurate? Do you think it is a waste of time for Dem's, myself or anyone to be trying to consider what Trump is currently doing to try and set up a win for 2024 as you believe he cannot win regardless?

A quality you are starting to share with some of those other posters is that it appears this area is consuming you. That does not mean everything you say is problematic so much as you obsessively say things about everything all the time in what feels like a more frantic way. Not saying this to troll you, as I usually like your content when I read it, but I did say the same thing about Shuffle and a couple others and not long after pretty much all those people took essentially a mental health break from this area, with that specific person apparently asking that his whole existence here be erased.

I appreciate you are giving me a list of a ton of items to consider, but I did not read the contents. Not saying that to dismiss you, I just do not have the time nor interest to devote as much time as you to this, and I am passing along my observations of your posting behavior that you are welcome to consider or disregard in any combination you feel is appropriate.

Fair enough to all points. Can't argue with any of that.

Still think, at a minimum you should read the post just above though. Obsessive or not, it is a good summation of what Trump is up to and how dangerous it is.

Eh, it is a Rolling Stone article, and it has an agenda, and it has to be a bit shocking to help get readers, all of which is fine and standard in the publishing industry. I do not doubt that dirty stuff happened and was attempted. That has always been in politics and Trump definitely went to new levels. Will that be contained or made worse moving forward? Well, guess we will see, but for now I am not going to get that worked up over a Rolling Stone article, and Trump is a really old fattie, so guess we will see if he even makes it to 2024.

Also, mildly disappointed you may have missed the Last Jedi reference I put in an earlier post today toward you! I would suggest you consider taking a week off politics at some point soon. The derps will still be derping when you get back.

Edit to add: take the break after you collect your $1,000 from the invasion martingale guy!

What sources today don't have some form of agenda that you would trust? I ask as I think all the MSM sources mostly do.


And ya we definitely have a different take on what is going on. I believe mostly ignoring what Trump is doing just increases his chance of pulling it off. I think he is very mush counting on that as most of these very local races that decided 'Who Counts the Vote' get less than 20% of the eligible population out to vote and any organised push to get even a fraction of your base out can win all of them while the other side sleeps.

And yeah my intention for 2020 was to take off to the north of Italy and then the S of France and then off to Asia for spell, after we sold our company close of 2019. Covid had other things to say about that though which means you guys got lucky and got all my time instead.

And you know what the Bible says about that 'idle hands.... something, something, ... are social medias playground...something, something.'.

The jan 6th Commission has its hands full and is rightly focused on that day and efforts around over turning the election.

What is emerging now, is a universe of what I would call secondary, illegal activity which I think the Jan 6th Committee may foot note but it is so vast, and not the core focus that I think the process would be better suited to a Mueller like Prosecutor with then the Jan 6th committee taking from a final report and appending to their investigation where necessary.


What I am talking about is all the evidence that Rudy Giuliani, Kraken lady and so many others were on the phone and holding meetings with people all across the Republican base and pushing them to do illegal things, like seize voting machines and reports coming back that many actions were taken.

There are a bunch of these little side issues, that are important to the Jan6th commission but I don't think they can or should chase down every rabbit hole as some expediency is necessary.

In the time it would take them to wind up the core part of their investigation a Special Counsel like Mueller, could be and would be charging all sorts of people for both implementing many of these illegal plans and those who were instructing them for conspiracy.

The one thing we know is that Mueller became a GOP truthteller serum for all but the most compromised few, who he put in jail for obstruction or lying when they did. People in the GOP were legit terrified to get his subpoena to appear and few did not cooperate fully, lest he know what they were hiding and lying about.


It is imo, very important that everyone at all levels, especially the local level State apparatus managers, know that illegal activity will get caught and people will end up in jail. Right now the signal is that 2020 was just a rehearsal with very little real world consequences for trying to steal, and the lesson taken was 'here is what we need to do better next time', when instead the lesson should be 'try it and you will be jailed'.

I believe the DOJ is fearful of looking too political and thus chasing down to many GOP branches and operatives and thus why a Special Counsel, especially one lead by a GOP lawman, since most FBI and other top cops, current or retired are GOP, would relieve them of that burden.

He's proud of it.

Tarrio the Proud Boys leader indicted today on conspiracy..

So he will flip again and bring down more people I guess..

Well that is why Trump through out the idea of pardons to these people should he be re-elected.

Often times the only options for these people facing serious charges and time are 'Cooperation with a reduced but still substantial sentence', or 'fight in court in a sure loser and get the harshest sentence'.

So the choices are between 'bad' and 'worse' and many choose 'bad' to have some hope of freedom, one day.



Trump wants them to know in such dire spots there is a 3rd option. Stick with him, and don't talk, and instead bet that he gets re-elected and then hope he selects you for full pardon. When your options are 'bad' and 'worse' gambling on that might not be the worst option.


Of course Trump could win and still not pardon any of them, as his concerns typically are looking forward and if he sees no value in these jailed people, he will not be bothered to pardon them.

The speed of this verdict should give some pause to those heading into court next, that juries are not accepting these BS defense positions.

Son is going to need some therapy and for a long, long time.



Jury finds first US Capitol riot defendant to go on trial guilty on all counts


A jury in Washington, DC, on Tuesday found January 6 rioter Guy Reffitt guilty of all five charges he faced related to the US Capitol attack, in the pivotal outcome of the first federal trial related to the riot.

Reffitt, a Texas Three Percenter and supporter of then-President Donald Trump when he went to the Capitol on January 6, was charged with five counts --

*wanting to obstruct the congressional certification of the 2020 presidential election

*transporting guns into DC,

*carrying a Smith & Wesson handgun onto the restricted grounds of the Capitol

*interfering with Capitol Police protecting the Upper West Terrace

*obstructing justice by threatening his son and daughter when he returned to Texas.

The jury of six men and six women in DC's federal court deliberated for just under four hours Tuesday.
Reffitt sat very still, then sipped water as the verdict was read. His wife, Nicole, who had watched each day of the trial with some of her children, did not make it into the courtroom in time to watch it being read.
The maximum sentence for the most severe of Reffitt's charges -- obstruction of Congress and obstruction of justice -- is 20 years in prison. He is scheduled to be sentenced on June 8.


...and a family drama where a son testified against his father.
It was the first case related to January 6 to go to trial and tested the Justice Department's ability to tie one person's actions in the crowd to the broader attack on Capitol Hill.
Reffitt, 49, has been held in jail since his arrest in late January 2021. His case rose to national attention after his son, Jackson Reffitt, did major national TV interviews about turning his father in to the FBI after disagreeing with him about his Trump support and involvement in the Three Percenters.

The conviction could have a dramatic effect on the more than 500 Capitol riot defendants whose cases are still making their way through the justice system. It could encourage some defendants to accept plea deals instead of facing a jury, and also may prompt appeals of the criminal law being used in many of the January 6 prosecutions.
Case against Reffitt
Reffitt's defense lawyer called no witnesses and instead argued that he was an exaggerator, who took credit for bringing a gun to the Capitol and resisting police when he was a bit player in the scrum...

Jackson Reffitt also told the jury about his father's comments after the riot, that should Jackson or his younger sister turn their father in, they would be traitors, and "traitors get shot."
Rocky Hardie, a former member of the Texas Three Percenters group who was given immunity by prosecutors in exchange for his testimony, told the jury about meeting Reffitt prior to the 2020 election....

Hardie testified that he and Reffitt both packed automatic rifles in their car and brought concealed handguns to the Capitol on January 6 for "self-defense." He said they both were aware bringing weapons to the Capitol was illegal, and Jackson Reffitt produced audio to the FBI that captured him discussing with his father laws against carrying a weapon on federal property.
The pair of Three Percenters also brought two-way radios and flex cuffs, "in case we need to detain anybody," Hardie said, while Reffitt wore an armored vest, a helmet and a blue jacket -- items that made him identifiable to police remembering the attack and in multiple video angles of the crowd pushing forward.
Three Capitol Police officers testified about battling Reffitt outside the Capitol. They all noted that Reffitt led the mob forward, taunting police officers that they "couldn't stop all of us."...

Text messages and recordings, taken by his son, from after January 6 showed Reffitt recounting how police sprayed him with chemicals and how members of Congress "scurried like rats and hid" while the mob breached the building.
"I had every constitutional right to carry a weapon and take over Congress as we tried to do," Reffitt said to his family in one recording.
Reffitt later said, "I'm not done yet."...

The even better part is his wife after the trial telling other J6 defendants to not plea, and go to trial.

jfc how is she so braindead

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60843262

cry baby.

Fact that it was that close, in this country, is horrifying.

Trump was a dangerous president willing to overthrow his own Vice-President to stay in power.

This was rumoured from the beginning and I had commented on it.

That one of Pence's Secret Service had whispered to Pence, if you get in that car, they will not let you out, and the POTUS will order them to take you far away and keep you far away 'for your safety'.

Now we see the text exchanges and that Trump's top SS guy was well aware of the incoming Insurrectionists.

It seems certain he knew his boss, POTUS, was going to turn Pence into a target for assasination, and they would use that to get Pence out.

Does anyone think this is enough for Garland to follow and Prosecute?

Does anyone think a Mueller type Special Prosecutor, if one was put in charge to gather the facts of Jan 6th and Prosecute crimes, would not?

I am hopeful Garland will eventually act, but I am certain a Mueller type already would have. If Garland does not act, it is not because the evidence is there and is because his roll is to cover it up in the usual gov't way. The 'oh ya we investigated... but there is not enough' which is the way to make sure the person is protected from any future prosecution threat.

new leaked audio from House Minority Leader Rep. Kevin McCarthy

Interesting are usually scumbags behind closed doors but put on a persona of being trustworthy.