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Nothing to see here.... just rabble-rousers getting out of hand. Boys will be boys!

this is how you control protests.

1. water- throwers and tear gas, pepper spray

2. then rubber bullets

3. police with shields and sticks.

4. then real bullets if nothing helps but that usually plenty.

that's only the first line of defence. behind that comes special forces with real military training who will just kill everyone with the real big guns.

that all happens before anyone can enter any buildings.

where was all that? nowhere.

USA superpower? this looked more like a joke

oh the capitol police has now added "wellness support k9s" to help the officers heal. that's a good thing!

only we use those k9s to keep protests in check not to heal! haha wtf

http://www.abcnews.go.com/amp/Politi...%3fid=80578422

and wtf happened to your stand your ground law? That's only for the average joe not for politicians huh? those don't need to be protected! haha what a joke..

castle doctrine

https://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-...20legislatures.

You understand it would be a terrible look for any US police to open fire and start gunning down, what are mostly, unarmed protestors right? If they shot and killed a bunch of people make the crowd then disperse, you would see those cops on charges now with people arguing they would have never tried to actually get in the Capital.

Instead what they did, by sheer force of numbers, and as many police reported, was surround the cops and make it then impossible for them to use their weapons. The cops, rightly feared the crowd would take their guns from them and feel justified in killing the cop, if the cop was trying to shoot them. So they used that tactic all the way thru as they proceeded basically surrounding the cops and making them useless.

That is why that cop was forced to shoot that lady climbing thru that broken window/door, despite her not be armed. Had she got thru and a wave of people followed after the security forces in that room would have been made useless and the mob could have taken their weapons and they then had all the Congress people in that room at their mercy. Nothing anyone could do. That is why people saying 'oh she was unarmed' to criticize the decision to shoot, are being dumb. She left no other choice but to shoot or surrender your charges to the mob.

+ k9s

cuepee,

the odd thing is that they let it come this far.

NO other country would have let it come this far taking above measurements.

that's the guidelines forward protests, they know how to deal with it. especially when top politicians are nearby.

one stupid truck with a water thrower would have done it. there was something very odd there.


those were your top dogs. highest security usually, yet there was none.

I think once it got this far a shot in the shoulder would have done it. they didn't have to kill her.
it was either complete incompetence which I kinda doubt, since it involved your top politicians or deliberately done to have good cards to impeach trump.

Yes.

You don't like blacks.
Blacks were involved in riots after white police tortured and murdered a black man on the side of the road. I think we all get your point.

But do you like the American system of government ?
It's okay to say 'no, I prefer fascism'.

Yes.

They both had political motives, but one was centrally political- and planned- wheras the other was more decentrally political and the rioting "unplanned", but predicted.

It's as if riots broke out at the Floyd protests and a few idiot protestors showed up at the DC insurrection.

it's weird that they kept the leftist protesters in check with grenades even though it was unplanned. read the article. what's worse loot some cars or storm the capitol full of top politicians?

where did you see grenades at the right winger protest? duh. but that's what always happens. right winger protesters even get waved through into the capitol it looks like, and that with a wink, don't you think?

just an objective observation.

if you wonder why that is, it's because most cops are right wingers.

This is 100% true, but the lines get very blurry here.
A bunch of left wing orcs looting stores and burning cars in Portland "because protest against racism" (or whatever) are going to be very justifiable to just break up and send them scattering.
When its a political protest in Washington DC, you're deep into 'protections invoked' speech.

When they started breaking into the secure building, yes, then they should've been shot.

When you have the outgoing president leading a crowd who had built a gallows down the street yelling 'hang mike pence' you are well out of the protections enumerated in The Constitution.

And I'm glad you looked at your peeps storming the capitol and didn't see any orcs.

You right wing nutters are cute. I'll give you that. Like little armed toddlers.

It's cute when you resort to "racist" when you really have nothing else to say. Very predictable and tired.

White people were involved in the riots also. And from what I heard and read, did way more damage and committed more acts of violence than black protesters. I don't like them.

I like the American system of government, but I don't like where it's headed. That doesn't make me a fascism supporter, much to your consternation.

You literally linked to riots caused by a particular racist incident that was part of a larger pattern of institutional racism.

You did that to compare those riots to the insurrection your side (the domestic enemies of America) perpetrated against my nation.

There's nothing you wrote that causes me stress or anxiety.
In fact you held your breath, crossed your arms and shook your head 'no' as I would have wagered you'd do.

these hearings should give democrats some juice for midterms, not sure how much itll help though if things stay the same or get worse. dont think the avg voter will care about this if gas and inflation is going up.

I still think democrats should try to use this to their adv tho. might need to

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-...s-his-n1296284

I don't believe these hearings move the needle one bit.

My father-in-law was relating a conversation he had with his diehard republican sister. No matter what truth he had for her, she wasn't listening. She told him, "I'm a republican. I believe what they tell me. "

Please tell me how Trump led the crowd. Trump clearly said march down for a Peaceful protest. You may say his rhetoric about a stolen election may have caused it but that is not a crime in my opinion.

You may say the man is deplorable for his comments about Mike Pence as well I think he could be charged for doing nothing to stop the breach once it happened. As well the comments about finding 11,000 votes could require charges but we all know that is never happening its all talk

If the hearing uncovers evidence that prior to the riots Trump or his team had been involved than those would be obvious charges as well but you think they would lead with that at the hearing

I don't think the Trump derps are the audience for this.

In 2020 it was the Independent centrist voter and Educated woman overall who decided they were tired of Trump's crap, despite what they otherwise liked about his term, who drove Biden to victory. It was more of an 'anyone but Trump vote', then it was one for Biden. He was seen as the anti-Trump.

Since 2020 that group has swung away Biden and the Dem's rightfully as they realized the Dem brass was just outright deliberately lying to them with a bunch of empty promises and the Dem's know it. So they need to make those people remember how distasteful all the Trump drama was and how it will be worse next time. They need to re-ignite the 'anyone but Trump voter' or they will lose bad.

i've heard Dem politicians already starting to argue the laughable platform I predicted they would run on months ago. That platform is 'Elect more Dem's to do what the Dem's failed to do prior'. They are arguing the key to voters getting what they want is simply to make sure the Dem's get even a bigger majority.

I think it is a horrid strategy to voice as it just makes everyone key on your inability (lack of desire) to deliver the last time.

Re the above, even though I doubt the Dems hold both the House and Senate. if they dd manage to hold it and even expand their majorities in both, you can mark my words now, this is what will happen. If the Dems for instance kept their House majority as is, and expanded the Senate majority to 4 or 6 seats you would suddenly find there were 2 or more centrists Dems (like Coons) who join Manchin and Sinema in blocking everything.

It could be point by point the same agenda promised in 2020 and it would fail again.

Oh drat once again the Dem agenda foiled. Sorry Voters.



BUt the Dem's would tell the voters not to worry and they have a path to success. That is to give the POTUS and even BIGGER majorities in 2024 so they can over come the obstructionists again.

Some might think that is laughable bold or very pessimistic, but that is exactly how I think it would play out. I think the Dems have at least 8-10 Senators who would be fine stepping up and playing the spoiler role and they are pushing to add more centrist corporate Dem types, over Progressives, who already have positions that would make them natural spoilers which I think is deliberate. The Progressives became very close to being the balance of power vote before conceding that instead to Manchin and Sinema and i think the Corporate Dems are very focused on 'Never again' with regards to allowing the Progressives to be that close to power.

Honestly tell me what motivates you to keep up the Trump facade and pretense that you don't like Trump, when you without hesitation and in every instance jump to defend him?

I am just curious. if it is to rile the 'libz', I am fine with that and it is a fair answer. You did the same thing prior and would not reply when I challenged with you with facts to show you were accepting a very biased and one sided view of Trump.

Here you are doing it again with your "...Trump clearly said march down for a Peaceful protest...".

Would you concede Trump understand the power of words and much like a Mob boss who says to his minions 'It would be a shame if anything happened to the Store of that guy who refuses to pay us protection money', that HE KNOWS his followers hear the exact opposite. They are testifying now in courts and to the commission that they heard Trump giving them a call to arms.

So you are playing the 'would it pass a perjury test' as your defense as if that is all that matters, and it is not.

Over and over again Trump has used this pattern of making clear his intention but then at some point, stating once to not do it, while then going back to his usual 'rile them up language'.

Do you recognize that or just not care?

Lets be clear I think Trump should be charged and never run again . I also acknowledged that you can infer that him saying the election was stolen contributed to inciting folks to do what they did but is it criminal? There are many elements of what Trump has done that are criminal I just do not see the speech on Jan 6 th as one

Though if you gonna charge Trump over his Jan 6th speech I hope you also are disgusted with Chuck Schummer's rhetoric that may have led to the attempt on Kavanaugh's life that democrats on the Sunday News shows would not condemn

Did I not say if it comes out in hearings that Trump or any of his team were involved in planning this they deserve jail time and lengthy sentences.

Lol at comparing Jan 6 to random Kavanaugh attack. Dozens of people have been arrested for assassination attempts of Obama, Biden, Clinton, Omar etc. it’s completely different from a politician holding a rally and saying we’re going to this exact place at this exact time and the exact people in the audience commit terrorist attacks exactly when and where they were told to go. Whether Trump broke the law is debatable. That he was not convicted in a senate trial pretty much means that impeachment trials are a sham. McConnell and others said he was morally responsible for the attack and they voted not guilty on the made up technicality that a former office holder can’t be convicted, which is just wrong. And of course if he becomes president again they’ll lie and make up some other excuse.