Ireland has had mass migration for two decades now. We're getting more simply due to the Rwanda bill.

He said in his post it's nothing to do with Brexit.

I’m sure that it would have played out somewhat differently without Brexit, the fundamental issue would be the same though. The Farage narrative would have been “If only we had left the EU, we would be able to fully control our borders”.

I’m not sure we would be particularly up for working together with other EU countries on this issue, even if we were still in EU.

It seemd to be in rebuttal to my point which was about brexit and refugees

If it wasn't then fair enough

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...lish-elections

Probably deliberate by Johnson to play up to his image.

Possibly. I thought it was very unfair that he was deposed as pm for being an incompetent lying buffoon. That is the platform he stood on.

Doesn't that make you ethnically Jewish due to the matrilineal thing, or am I wrong on that?

You missed the word entertainer.

I forgot the word **** as well

Unfortunately "Vote Boris, vote for a ****" wasn't his campaign slogan, whereas a Jamaican woman in her 60s I was talking to yesterday said she voted for him because he was "fun".

ffs

I still think he'd make a good Dr Who. He just has the look.

He can be Dr ****ing Who for the rest of his life if it means he doesn't get anywhere near Parliament as far as I'm concerned.

All the other countries within the EU are constantly squabbling about migrants, so yes I suppose we'd be no different.

As is common unfortunately, we act to make things worse and then use the fact that they are worse to justify the actions.

That's not to dismiss how difficuly the issue is. We need a huge cooperative effort on many big issues. I repeat that brexit has made this harder and all of us are weaker for it (except the far right who exploit it so well)

Worse for whom, and why?

worse for refugees. Worse for non extremists. Worse for democrcay, worse for reasonabless, worse for progressiveness, worse for dealing with climate change. worse for standign up to the usa. I could go on

why? just my opinion i suppose. I like democracy, etc etc etc, i f you mean why woill it get worse? then imo it's because we need to work together.

Has it weakened the UK's potential ability to control its borders? Has it weakened the electorate to be able to throw out/vote in politicians acting on their behalf wit respect to migration (or anything else). I'd assert it's significantly strengthened, not weakened, these things.

What nonsense you assert as fact.

I like democracy too - it's literally why The West is better than most other places. The Brexit vote was an exercise in democracy against an organisation that is not democratically elected.

Nonetheless, some folk decided when they didn't like the result they would try and either ignore it or overturn it, which is not really very democratic.

It's also worth noting that since the Brexit vote extremists have found themselves on the fringes (if not kicked out) of British politics, and the next election will be fought by two of the blandest centrist parties imaginable.

Also, strange to say that standing up to the USA is apparently important, but standing up to the EU isn't.

I seen some independent analysis the other day that shows that isn’t actually the case. Ironically though it suits both governments for people to think it is.

I don't think the EU is anywhete near as dangerous as the usa but yes now we are out of it, it will become more important to stand up to it. I wanted us to be a full member which would have made us a significant partner. Instead we are getting closer to the usa where we will never have any real say on anything.

I don't think the blandness of the current parties should reassure us at all. They are staggeringly unpopular and moving rightwards fast. It's worse in much of the EU and brexit has harmed them too.

I don't expect you to agree. It is imo what brexit was really about. It was our failure not to argue the case for being a member.

i think farage is going to decide pretty quickly after these local elections whether he will take over reform and try to supplant the tories as the right wing party, or whether to go off to usa and do trump stuff

i think his decision is going to be massively impactful to uk politics for the rest of our lives

I agree blandness of current parties is a major problem. We need someone inspirational and willing to push the hard choices.

And I don't mean these strong men pricks.

We need the modern equivalent of the 1948 Labour government.

They're not even that bland. The tories are batty right wing by any normal standards. Labour are center right.

The spirit of 45 is what we need. Preferably without the fascist prelude.

I agree. And how the trump story ends